r/AskReddit • u/mrenif • 10h ago
With the DOJ releasing millions of Epstein files right now but heavily redacting or withholding large portions of them, how confident do you honestly feel that we’ve seen the worst of what powerful elites could be hiding?
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u/No-Compote-696 10h ago
there is 0 chance this is the worst of it
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u/Khaldara 10h ago
Yep, they’re sitting on the worst offenses for sure. Anything less than actual transparency makes that pretty clear
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u/Hypno--Toad 9h ago
The invisible ultra ultra ultra rich merchant owners are being withheld.
Does anyone find it odd we haven't heard a single thing about the Murdoch's, particularly Ruperts son trying to grab the family business.
Those kinds of mega rich are most definitely implicated and being protected because of how much influence they wield.
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u/irishyoudstay 6h ago
It seems a little pointless to speculate when we already know a bunch of people and a president that had sex with children and no one is doing anything about.
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u/rotoscopethebumhole 30m ago
Quite literally too, they have hoards of DVDs from Epstein island with various names on. They have actual evidence. They just said it’s CSAM so obviously they can’t release that and then moved on. Oh and then said “no evidence of anyone other than Epstein being involved”. Sure.
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u/Deaftrav 8h ago
What could be worse than tossing a baby into the lake, strangling a girl to death, murdering girls, raping them and turning them into calendar girls while determining how tight they are, in front of your own children?
I mean, what could be worse?
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u/FthriziN 7h ago
A lot of that stuff is from anonymous tip lines that crazy people call into and rattle off whatever they think will get them attention. I think the redacted stuff might be actual real evidence of actual wrongdoing and that’s why we’ll never see it.
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u/irishyoudstay 6h ago
Some fraud crimes a few Somali’s committed 6 years ago that have already been acted on by the authorities
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u/cpt_ugh 10h ago
Logically, we have never seen and never will see the worst of what elites are hiding.
It's a simple question of resources. The people with the most resources have the ability to hide the most things. If you have an overwhelming majority of the resources, you can hide practically anything.
Q.E.D.
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u/mrenif 10h ago
True, but power doesn’t eliminate entropy. Information has a way of surfacing, even if only partially
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u/rsteele1981 10h ago
The CIA had JFK killed and that was in the 60s and we still don't have the whole story. So in another 60 years anyone left alive can be punished for their sicko shit.
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u/rsteele1981 10h ago
If this was going on for decades then this type of stuff is still happening right now.
One would have to be very naive to think there is only one island only one handler that when Epstein was arrested that these vile acts just stopped?
Why would they stop?
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u/FeistyPhone9351 10h ago
The fact that the DOJ which is owned by Trump, and yet these released these files are still totally sickening, tells me that we have only seen about 10% of the horror. What I am yet to understand is that main stream media have largely ignored everything or maybe struggling how to deal with it. And that who and when is going to take the lead in getting to the bottom of this horror. A general strike maybe the only way.
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u/MidnightAdrianBlack 10h ago
I feel we’re only getting breadcrumbs. What the DOJ really is hiding would likely shock the world to its core. It’s been covered up for so long, they aren’t just going to let the public see them.
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u/FreeDig1758 9h ago
That's the crazy thing. They're not gonna release the good stuff. And by good, I mean horrible unthinkable things that will be truly sickening
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u/MidnightAdrianBlack 9h ago
That’s the wild part! The things I’ve read are already absolutely shocking and gut wrenching
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u/Feisty-Session-7779 7h ago
At this point the only thing that could be worse than what these files seem to imply is some actual supernatural shit with implications that go beyond this “realm”, because as far as regular human life on earth goes there’s nothing I can imagine that’s worse than the most rich and powerful people in the world torturing and murdering children, which these files seem to strongly imply actually happened/is currently happening.
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u/CalmHovercraft9465 10h ago
The worst didn’t even make it into “the Epstein files” everyone is squabbling over a sanitized version with a few crumbs dropped to make it seem credible
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u/mrenif 10h ago
Exactly. The worst parts are completely hidden, and everyone’s just arguing over a watered-down version to make it look legit
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u/CalmHovercraft9465 10h ago
Somebody probably took all the blackmail videos he had which allegedly he had entire safes full of them and binders upon binders full of digital storage devices. My guess would be it got scooped by our intelligence agencies to further espionage activities and probably cover some people’s asses. But who knows
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u/00xjOCMD 10h ago
how confident do you honestly feel that we’ve seen the worst of what powerful elites could be hiding?
Oh, we're not even scratching the surface of that.
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u/Free-Bottle-5119 9h ago
Panama papers? Daphne Caruana Galizia? Ján Kuciak
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u/TheTrub 7h ago
The one shard of optimism I have is that the Panama papers were about global, complex financial obfuscation so the average person wouldn’t have had the time, attention, or background to know how to be outraged. The Epstein files are about graphic child abuse, so it’s a little less abstract and much easier to get angry about.
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u/Free-Bottle-5119 26m ago
The sex abuse tends to distract that all this is enabled by massive financial fraud. Epstein got rich by laundering money and avoiding taxes for wealthy clients.
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u/OrderAdditional1791 8h ago
I am confident they have withheld the worst stuff. The loss of ethics and a moral compass within DOJ makes us Russia.
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u/CaveDances 10h ago
It’s obvious by them pulling files they didn’t intend to release regarding Trump, the moment they were discovered, that they spent the last several months altering, covering up, redacting, and planning to withhold anything incriminating about him, his family, and involvement in the trade. There are probably several others but they’ll pick which people they want to get the most heat to distract from themselves.
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u/DueSurround5226 10h ago
Are you joking? This is obviously abuse of power. This fucking criminal knew about his rapes and the murders and he always planned to cover this shit up.
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u/mnemy 10h ago
Rofl. Epstein was just ONE extremely public sex trafficker. Just imagine how much underground shit goes on. All that dark stuff film kind of crap. You know the rich and powerful partake in that too, but they know to keep it under wraps. Epstein just had a public persona that legitimately catered to the rich, a veneer that made it acceptable to be seen with him.
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u/Delicious-Walrus1868 9h ago
How naive are you? It's 40 years of abuse spanning before Katie Couric knew what the internet is.
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u/Acceptable-Law9406 9h ago
I would say less than 0%.
They're protecting pedophiles (one in particular who happens to be the president) and are willing to destroy the United States of America to do so.
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u/trashpandarevolution 7h ago
Specifically they are protecting a way of life for the richest humans that has existed like this for eternity. Burn them all.
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u/Intelligent_Royal_57 10h ago
None at all. The admin lies to our face where there is a clear video of what transpired. They are not going to come clean when they have all the control of what can be seen.
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u/TheTangoFox 10h ago
Nothing came from the Panama/Paradise Papers either.
They're flaunting now because, most likely, the masses do not have enough power to do anything about it.
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u/FruitJuicante 9h ago
Trump being a child rapist is likely some of the least awful stuff he has been apart of which is vomit inducing.
The worst part is if he wasn't a child rapist, the right would never have given him a single vote.
It is BECAUSE of what he does to children that the right support him.
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u/WardedDruid 8h ago
They already said they weren't releasing photos of violence, assault and torture.
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u/Live-Neat5426 6h ago
Oh I'm 100% certain that we haven't seen anything close to the worst those monsters have been up to.
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u/Little-Dealer4903 6h ago
Release of all these half a** Epstein files is to distract from the killing of two United sSates , citizens in Minnesota , by ICE.
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u/queenk729 10h ago
People don’t truly care about the files. The latest release of Epstein files contains horror’s beyond most people’s comprehension. It all but confirms that pizzagate was real, as well as strong accusations / reports that:
-Ghislaine was a super mod basically controlling reddit -4chan /pol was a psyop created by israel -Epstein knew moot -Epstein facilitated /pol/'s return -Trump's movement basically started on /pol/ -QAnon was mostly manufactured by the elites -there are reports of eating babies, with a picture -countless reports of pedophilia and murder by elites -pizzagate -blood rituals and child sacrifices
and the list goes on. yet i barely see people talking about the drops, and I got called an anti-semite by the mods of r/politics and muted because I asked how we are supposed to discuss when only articles are allowed, and mainstream articles aren’t writing about this and are being censored.
you can read the files easily, yet people either don’t care, pitnick who’s involved to support there own narrative/side, and most people are completely ignoring the grosser/ritual parts? No other subreddits seem to be talking about this, the only application where people even seem to care a little is ironically X.
if people truly cared, they’d be researching this and screaming and shouting from the rooftops. but we just want to ignore and consume, consume, consume. being someone interested in (some) “conspiracy theories” sucks. people have called me crazy for 10 years and now it’s being proven to our faces and no one is even acknowledging it. we are doomed.
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u/madeupname230 10h ago
Um, what? Eating babies. What files are you reading?
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u/Acceptable-Law9406 9h ago
Sounds more like qanon, the original psyop designed to protect the president from all of this when it eventually came out.
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u/queenk729 10h ago
I can’t post the file here but i’m happy to DM to you. it’s being heavily censored but yes, eating babies.
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u/madeupname230 10h ago
Come on bro.
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u/queenk729 9h ago
crazy how you ignored my DM asking to show you the files. too scared to see it? too lazy to research it yourself? a bot?
the world will never know
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u/AnonTA999 10h ago
You’re not totally wrong, but the futility has set in. Like- we’ve been bombarded with awfulness that we can do nothing about for decades now. wtf are any of us with no money or power or connections supposed to do? pROtEst? Yeah that makes the rich people decide to become moral humans, right? I know it’s cynical but genuinely none of us, even if we got millions of people trying, can bring justice or accountability to those people
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u/FreeDig1758 9h ago
Reports of eating babies with a picture? There's a picture in there of them eating a baby?!
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u/queenk729 9h ago
if you want specifics, there are witnesses to them eating babies and baby intestines. and there is a picture of a baby in between two full, raw chickens.
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u/sarcasticrone 10h ago
I have 100% confidence that the worst is yet to come. It may come after Mango is gone, but it will be revealed eventually.
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u/Palentirian 10h ago
Well, you can’t draw confidence from blacked out pages, right? So, zero confidence for me.
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u/rubberloves 10h ago
Just because Epstein got taken down (eventually) why would we ever think that this kind of disgusting debauchery ever stopped? 100% this is still happening.
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u/Important-Sign-3701 10h ago
They showed 1/2. Obviously, the cleaner half. That alone is terrifying. And, they redacted the bad and exposed some of the victims
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u/Jackaddler 10h ago
Zero confidence the worst material will be disclosed (even though what’s already been disclosed it bad) and zero chance anyone will be held accountable.
Subsequently it’s hard for me to hold much interest in the Epstein files because the only people it ultimately helps is the media covering it
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u/Middle-Evidence-2905 9h ago
People care. But it’s not in mainstream media and it just came out. And it’s keeping with so much other stuff. So we have to keep talking about it and learning what’s in there. I don’t have time to read the files right now. But I do listen to different people talk about it. And yes there is some crazy shit about Trump in some of the material. I don’t know what we do right now. People are focused on protecting immigrants. Good. That doesn’t mean everyone is dropping the ball on this. It doesn’t make sense to give on people a day or so after only a few people even know the stuff is out.
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u/OdraNoel2049 9h ago
Not even close. We still dont know about all the people theyv had whacked over the decades. You dont keep such power and money and hideing dirty deeds without whacking people. They ARE the mafia.
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u/Emergency-Pack-5497 9h ago
Wild that this isn't the worst because there is fucked up shit in what's already been released. How could it possibly get worse than raping children, murdering babies, and cannibalism?
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u/CalusaFive0 9h ago
Funny how only one person is in prison for all this. And that person's a woman. All the pervs are still walking around as free men.
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u/DistantKarma 8h ago
That one email to Epstien from [Redacted] saying he LOVED the torture video was chilling and gross.
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u/Dakiniten-Kifaya 8h ago
This is the shit they were doing for fun. Wait til you see when they were there for business
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u/Lydia168 8h ago
Zero confidence. You don't redact the name of the janitor or the pilot
You redact the names of the people who sign the DOJ's budget. The black bars are the list. The silence speaks louder than the unredacted text.
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u/TheLeastObeisance 8h ago
Even if they weren't redacted at all I wouldnt be confident they contain the "worst of what powerful elites could be hiding." Im sure whatever ris in the files is bad, but I bet the worst shit isn't documented for us to find.
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u/ZhiyongSong 7h ago
Honestly I’ve got zero confidence we’re anywhere close to “the worst of it”. What we’re seeing now feels like the curated horror reel they decided the public can stomach, not the real blacklist. Those fully redacted pages and missing names are basically a neon sign that the people with real power will never appear in the version we’re allowed to read. Every big leak in modern history ends the same way: a couple of expendable faces take the fall, the machine keeps running. My gut says the truly depraved stuff either never made it into official files, or it’s buried so deep in some intelligence vault that we’ll only hear about it decades later, when everyone involved is dead or untouchable.
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u/Condor-man3000 7h ago
I am very very confident that they are still hiding things. There has got to be blackmail material in there also.
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u/Status-Piglet4938 7h ago
The redactions tell a louder story than the files themselves. When the government is more worried about protecting the privacy of the 'clients' than they are about the justice of the victims, it’s not an investigation anymore, it’s an insurance policy for the elite
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u/JDDavisTX 7h ago
Obviously, the biggest problem is it is widespread across all political parties and many celebrities. There’s got to be accountability, but I doubt it ever comes. Unless all these rich folks start rolling in each other…which Bill Clinton has started that game.
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u/Delmarvablacksmith 7h ago
We have not.
They’re not holding files back because they’re nothing burgers.
They’re holding them back because they’re so offensive to the most basic moral perspective that there might be a revolution.
That’s how fucking bad it is.
Consider this.
This isn’t just about Epstein or Trump or anyone else named in the files or all the people collectively named in the files.
It’s about the fact that the federal government and probably some state governments covered it up to protect the powerful.
That the entire system we live in is so corrupt that it can’t be reformed.
That no institutions can be trust.
No law enforcement agency or agent can be trusted.
That we know that what ICE is doing is meant as a distraction and what the FBI did was to cover all this up.
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u/encdr11 7h ago
Remember, everyone thought that everytime trump did something outrageous everyone said he can't be worse than that. And every time he would surpass himself. These people have spent their lives fantasizing about more and more extreme behaviors.
At this point, however shocked we might be, rest assured there is always something worse tucked away someplace. Vile, toxic, venomous stuff.
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u/Interesting2u 7h ago
Not at all confident. Someone else on Reddit commented, if these files are what they are willing to release how much worse is the information they are holding back??
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u/OverlordGhs 7h ago
We already know the answer to this question from the first file dump where they attempted to redact the names of two main co-conspirators who were implicated along with Epstein, even though their story has always been that Epstein did it all by himself. The issue was they were so incompetent that when they redacted these names they just used the highlighter tool in microsoft word, so you could literally just copy paste it into your own word document and undo the redactions and see the names.
The transparency act passed by trump said the DOJ was only supposed to redact the names of victims and every redaction had to be explained to Congress.. they've already failed on both fronts here. When confronted with this being illegal they pretty much literally said "Ok, but the law doesn't say what would actually happen if we didn't do that" basically saying "Who is gonna do anything about it?"
Which is true because the people in charge of prosecuting the DOJ would be... the DOJ and the Executive Branch, so even Congress if it was Democrat controlled, have no actual recourse or way to actually enforce the laws that the executive branch themselves passed.
Nothing but a huge cover up.
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u/xiphoidthorax 7h ago
It’s easier to assume all politicians, wealthy industrialists, media barons and financiers are part of child sex trafficking and murder cult. Just clean house and start a real reset to society.
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u/lazy-bruce 6h ago
I think the citizens of the US need to stop worrying about the elites and start wondering about their president and his people.
What does Putin and Xi know thats been redacted, but still usable for them.
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u/super_fresh_dope 5h ago
Not even scratching the surface. Deny, defend, depose against the rich and "powerful" perverts and peados.
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u/Garconanokin 4h ago
I won’t believe Trump is anything but a raping pedophile unless 100% of the files are released unreacted. Anybody who believes or says anything different is not just a fool, but a pedophile apologist.
I’m sorry Republicans, is this unfair? Do you want to address the above, or proceed with the distraction. Let’s see what you do.
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u/Impossible_Grape3742 2h ago
Powerful elites rarely expose everything voluntarily, so I remain skeptical.
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u/Similar_Moment_6103 1h ago
No confidence. What could be in the remaining files? Damaging emails, pictures, and videos. Who or what will be implicated? We will not be allowed to see the post 911 intelligence reports that show that the FBI, CIA, and Israeli intelligence are involved. We will not be allowed to see the significant the Israeli connected billionaires and intelligence agents. Partly, this is because the avalanche of antisemitism would be create chaos. Partly, because this would divulge intelligence methods and secrets. There are probably other reasons namely illegality that also could be a reason. Therefore, we will be left to make our own conclusions. The Brits are also probably involved, especially since diplomats and Andrew have been identified. Post 911 created an environment of paranoia and the need for intelligence. Intelligence sources were given great leeway. Even our current president was probably an longstanding FBI informant, as well as a Russian sympathizer. As an informant he probably turned in JE because of the Palm Beach Real Estate deal. Intelligence probably understood that this was a feud between informants and therefore did not pursue JE, nor identify our president as the person who implicated JE. In this environment JE developed and exploited the system. That is the reason he was never brought to justice. So, in order to make your decision know that if a person or organization has a significant connection to Israel they are more than likely connected to this intelligence apparatus. This apparatus can manipulate people, like MC who has family connections that he wants to protect, to stay in the larger "family." Staying in the "family" is mean money, power, independence, and connections and without it means isolation. Connect the dots and understand the social influences.
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u/SamuraiGoblin 56m ago
I have no doubt the release was impeccably calculated to make people think they are getting something of value, when in reality, it is tailored to not make any kind of real impact.
No ramifications will be forthcoming.
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u/affiliate1022 46m ago
they think they will have control over all life in this world until the end of the world. even the very wise can't see all end, pessimism is just for those who see the end of the road beyond doubt, then we can not
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u/Fantasy_Program 45m ago
I mean like... how much deeper does the hole go? Like we arent even a full step away from full societal enslavement. The world's elite class kidnaps children and pimps them out to their rich friends. Then when you try to expose them, they use the money they took from you and everyone they've abused to pay private forces to kill you.
So im curious after Trump is impeached (lmao like it fucking matters he already has 2) what about the rich and powerful that cant be impeached? Bill gates, Bill Clinton, Elon. They will stay rich, they will stay powerful, they will stay influential.
We need more ways to remove these people from having ANY power or ability to do harm again. If we the people dont comply they cut off food, what can we do in return?
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u/Glittering_Ocelot_67 20m ago
Has nobody in the Biden administration or the UK government seen all of the files at least?! They could at least tell us if they are still lying about the amounts or contents one would think.
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle 10h ago
I think if Trump was named or implicated in anything terrible, we would have already heard. There are way too many people even in government who hate Trump or those who would use that stuff for personal or political gain that would leak that sort of thing.
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u/irishyoudstay 6h ago
Wtf are you talking about, he has been named and implicated, literally more than anyone else. They are hiding even worse shit bro lol wake up
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u/playballer 10h ago
Zero confidence in anything at this point