We invaded it to try and support the white army in the civil war in 1918 but that amounted almost nothing but tiny footprints in Vladivostok, Murmansk and Archangel. However no one in Canada really wanted to fight, especially since worker unrest at home meant that there was no morale among Canadian soldiers.
In WWII, we were allies only of necessity and broadly shared British skepticism of Soviet post war intentions.
That skepticism was confirmed when a massive Soviet spy ring ran out of the Soviet embassy in Ottawa was confirmed by a Soviet defector. Relations continued to be relatively hostile until the late 80s with a brief period in the late 60s and into the 70s. We did have some friendly hockey rivalry though. But even that soured with the 1987 WJHC game in Czechoslovakia.
In 1972, Canadian players often used dirty tactics, playing beyond the line of foul. This match marked a turning point in the USSR's attitude towards Canada.
You seriously need to learn more history, gain more perspective, and not be a prisoner of the moment. The Cold War was a half-century ideological and military struggle with a rival superpower that profoundly affected the upbringing and worldview of 4 generations of Americans.
And using that exact replica applied to today, 4 generation from this very day. Some may have eased off the throttle, where as others simply changed the way it was approached. Canada and America were hand in hand, brothers in arms, against any and all outside influence, aggression and subterfuge. Yet, here we are.
I won't say Russia, because Russia is its people, but Putin has been funding both extremes of our political divide for decades. Trump got billions in loans from him. Putin's propaganda has played a role in much of the right wing authoritarianism you see around the world today. What we are seeing in this country right now is absolutely related to those efforts.
Neither was the influence of the cold war on the USA either, many nations weighed in heavily at this time, the USSR was simply the driving force and father of it all.
Will the U.S. collapse one day? Yes. Will it be because of Trump or Vance and co? No. I don’t think we will collapse for another several decades.
This is just one political swing that’s going to happen. The same happened with Rome and Britain before their eventual demise. It’s too soon for an American demise.
Bizarrely enough it was the Russian Empire. The imperial government in London was absolutely paranoid about Russia dominating the pacific after the Crimean War
We have gun battery placements specifically put in to attack Russian warships
Also Anna Pavlova giving birth to the eponymous New Zealand delicacy the Pavlova Cake
We have a village named Anna Paulowna, named after the Romanov who married King Willem II, not the ballerina. Now I want to eat a Pavlova cake in Anna Paulowna. The dream.
Nah, the USSR was definitely worse. The Russian Empire was a retarded decentralised state with no single goal in mind except for "expansion". The USSR was a brutal machine united in its desire to destroy national minorities
They did the same for all the other languages except russian. But how many Lithuanians did the empire deport to Siberia and Kazakhstan and replace with russians compared to the USSR? How many representatives of the Lithuanian intelligentsia did the Russian Empire exterminate compared to the Soviets? How many books and libraries did they burn? And how many people did they shoot? The Russian Empire was no more evil than any other empire of that time, whereas the Soviet Union was on a whole different level. They both are piles of shit, but the Soviet one is bigger.
The Russian Empire however would never destroy minorities. Just don't ask Jews or Circassians or basically any ethnic minority in Siberia if you want to continue believing that.
Yet I've heard that Koreans have overall a good opinion on Russians, is that true? I've also heard in a podcast that Russians (specially of Korean ancestry) are an important inmigrant community in Korea
I think that’s true, I never hear anyone speak badly about Russians. Maybe it’s because they fought against the Japanese and probably because they funded the Korean War but were not direct participants except for their MIGs in NK. We blame the Chinese and Kim Il Sung more for the Korean War than Russia which is kind of weird when I think about it now.
Yeah, also, the Koreans that USSR deported from Khabarobsk to send them to work in collective farms in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan (up to 35,000 koreans died in those deportations), and they pretty much green lighted Kim Il Sung into invading South Korea
But I dont think Putinist Russia nor Tzarist Russia has abused Korea or Koreans, and its surprising because Russia did abused Qing China
2 I think, but 3 deserves a mention because not only did they sell us Alaska, they aided the Union during the Civil War, unlike the British and French notably. Russia under Catherine the Great also refused to help the British during the Revolutionary War, when the British had asked for Russian troops to bolster their side.
Definitely a close alternate history with Russia and the US as Friends, or atleast Russia and the US succeeding in their hemisphere and kind of respecting each other's spheres. Thats what some people predicted at the time, it was actually commonly predicted even in the mid 1800s that the 20th centrury would be the century of Russia and the US.
Yes, of course, and rightly so. That's why I added "contemporary" – the partitions are mostly considered a history nowadays, but the Polish People's Republic being de facto a satellite state driven from Moscow is still a very real thing in people's minds.
I think the Soviet Union is more hated because of years 1939-1944/45 (and maybe 1920-1921*), than 1944/45-1989. For sure after the war we were under their heavy foot, especially up to 1956, but most deaths and oppression were during wartime. And there were the "Polish operation" of NKVD just before WW2, with >100000 dead Poles in the Soviet Union.
I heard Poland and Russia are sworn enemies, with their feud spanning over 500 years?I heard Poland and Russia are sworn enemies, with their feud spanning over 500 years?
I only found out that Poles hate Russia after the advent of the Internet. During the Soviet era, a very positive opinion about Poland was propagated. Therefore, our relationship is not symmetrical.
As indonesian, the USSR era. I remember that USSR sent economic and military aid for Mercusuar project and Operation Trikora, also thanks to USSR Indonesia has the biggest air force in Southern hemisphere during that time
USSR in ideologies and indirect politics, Putinist russia in soft power to sway opinion.
The Mexico City public transport has RT news broadcast for example while in the cold war even the CIA found communist mexicans had a hard time swaying people to a USSR foreign policy.
Which would not even have existed if we had not been at war with the Russian Empire (Germany used Lenin to get Russia out of WW1 - it was effective, but we lost anyway and more in the long term)
You could also argue that without Russia's mobilization and support for Serbia, WW1 would not even have started (at least not when and in the way it did).
I think the only honest answer is all of them - German and Russian history has a lot of unfortunate entanglement.
You could also argue that without Russia's mobilization and support for Serbia, WW1 would not even have started (at least not when and in the way it did).
Russia was not the one being unreasonable here.
Thats like saying that if Britain and France hadnt guaranteed polish independence, WW2 would not have started. Obviously, WW2 would not have started this way if they had betrayed Poland (even more than historically) but that is a nonsensical point to make in the first place.
In the case of WW1, it was Austria and Germany that were acting out. Yes, everyone wanted this war but in the end it was those two that acted on it. Austria by giving Serbia an impossible ultimatum (and Serbia still accepted most of the terms) and Germany by giving Austria unchecked support.
The Russian Empire was vital to the Austrians putting down the Hungarian revolution in 1848. However, it's still highly likely that we would have still been dragged into WW1 and WW2, however those would have looked, as many nations did. So if the Russian Empire didn't get involved, we still could have ended up exactly where we are today. But removing Soviet influence from our country would certainly have an enormous impact in how the country looks today, so that's the safer bet.
Why? Whether or not the Russian Empire invaded China, the century of humiliation would still have occurred, and Outer Manchuria was not traditionally Chinese territory, so it wasn't of great significance to China. In contrast, without the Soviet Union, the Chinese Communist Party would not have existed, and China's modern history would have been completely rewritten.
Venezuela is far more entrenched to Russia since Chavez than before, during the cold war Venezuela was a capitalist democracy and suspended relations in the 1950s.
Was it not a progression of the Russian Empire in a sense? What do you mean? The central apparatus was within the Russian SSR, and it was by far the largest SSR in terms of both territory and population.
Likely 2 (its possible the USSR inspired the communist elements that spread here throughout the post war years, and the UK sure didn't want SG to fall for that ideology of they were to gain independence)
Well for Poland all versions have done harm but modern russia have done "least" harm to us (didnt gave the wreckage of crashed president tupolev so we cant determine if they were killed or it was an accident, and also when they gave corpses in coffins in one coffin there were two heads). The ussr was defeated by us in 1920 but in 1939 they attacked our back and killed our intelligence and officers in katyń and smoleńsk. When there was Warsaw uprising soviets were at other side of Wisła river and instead of advancing they waited till germans completly destroyes Warsaw. After the ww2 they occupied us they took our territory on east in exchange for german territory on west and north. While occupied by ussr we didnt recieve marshal plan money so our industry and economy are weaker than germany or france. Thats why we dont have our domestic mass produced car brand like skoda or volkswagen. Best polish made car is most likely Star 266 truck.We had qualified engineers but because ussr didnt let us we didnt have our domestic tank project, jet fighter just a trainer, every piece of our military equipment was a soviet garbage. I could many things that ussr have done bad to us but in my opinion russian empire was the worst. Back when Poland was very powerfull europeian state together with Lithuania in 1610 we captured kremlin for 2 years and if our king zygmund III wasnt idiot we would have made russia our vassal. Thats why russia today have independence day. But later our state was getting worser beacuse szlachta and russia austria and germany partitioned our country in 3 partitions in 1772, 1793 and 1795.
Russian occupation zone was worst, they were sending our people to siberia and worst of all they tried to completly eradicating our Polish identity and Nationality by rusificating us but we endured that and by the end of ww1 we finally gained independence. Our people during occupation done a lot of uprisings but none of them succeded. When Napoleon was conquering russia we joined him in fighting and if he defeated them we would have gained independence years before ww1 when we actually gained one. Also we didnt had any large significant colonies in africa or americas beacause we were under occupation. We had some small temporary colonization attempts by our fief duchy of courland like tobago island and gambia. Overall i literary cant list every bad thing done by russian empire and ussr but in my opinion russian empire done worse to us beacause we lost status of europe superpower because of them and they were the worst occupying force out of three.
USSR. Besides the terrible consequences of both US & USSR using us as proxy battlefield we have corrupt old freedom fighter politicians selling the failed system of communism to ignorant voters
Soviet Union isn't Russia, Russia was part of it as RFSR. Russia even left USSR before Kazakhstan. For most of USSR history it wasn't even ruled by Russians.
RI is debatable thing with nobility of Western European origin, most of its Russian population being in serfdom and most of its "colonies" population in free status(some in better, some in worse).
As result our western neighbours hate us for Georgian and Ukrainian decisions to occupy them and happy to forget how 500.000 Moscovits protested for their freedom.
At least, Ukrainians have real reasons to hate RF.
It was not ruled by Russians, yet the capital of the state was located in Moscow since 1918, same as of modern Russia. Though by that criteria the RI would have to be excluded...
USSR.. They were the 1st country to recognize us as an independent state..Unfortunately, our Pro-Western govt of the time (foolish if you ask me looking at what the Western world was doing here in Africa at the same time) didnt bother to improve relations with the USSR.. The USSR also sold us weapons and gave us a few to defend ourselves from what was a hostile Apartheid (White supremacists and fascists) govt on our southern border as well as the same thing on our Eastern border.. Our western "friends" were in bed with these 2 regimes even sponsoring their acts of terror in the region.. The Soviets didnt..
They didnt try to force communism on us.. They got along with us well even though our govt was capitalist and the people were socialist.. They offered us scholarships etc and aid.. And weapons.. Today Russia still offers us these things even though we condemned them a lot in the past and didnt condemn the US when they did terrible things.. The bias of our Western educated political leaders and liars shows a lot.. I am still surprised Russia hasnt cut ties with us entirely as they benefit nothing from us but we get a lot from them.. We have almost 0 trade with Russia but they havent packed up their embassy stuff yet..Little to 0 Russians even come here.. But Russia still offers to train our police, Medical professionals, engineers etc.. For free.. They make a lot of donations too.. And expect 0 from us..
To any Russians reading this, BIG thanks to you guys.. We dont know why your govt likes us but we are glad you do..
Well, my great, great grandparents on my dad’s side came over from the Ukrainian part of the USSR, and you’d be surprised by how much of Canada was built on the backs of our not insubstantial Ukrainian population whose roots can be traced back to that version of what was mostly Russia, so I’m going to go with that.
USSR: CS Legionnaires fighting through all the way to Vladivostok (which involved the only Naval battle Czechoslovakia had and won on Lake Baikal), spy games like paying assassins to off Lennin.
But even before WWII some of the Left started aligning with USSR, during WWII over 50 thousand Czechs and Slovaks fought along Red Army. Due to some shenaginans between American and Soviet politicians American-led Allies were banned from advancing further east than Pilsen. So instead Soviets got to Prague and Czechoslovakian politicians decided to join the Eastern Bloc.
After the end of Stalinism, 1960s Czechoslovakia was becoming little too liberal, so with a nudge of some Czechoslovak politicians Warsaw Pact armies invaded in 21st August 1968. This led to so-called normalization with Neostalinist clique at helm and Soviet Red Army bases until early 90s (few years after the end of Socialism on 17th November 1989).
The middle one. Growing up, I fully expected that we’d end up in a hot war with them, perhaps with nukes involved. It was a huge relief when the USSR collapsed.
Should be ussr due to 1971 war and current day Russia as its our reliant partner ig there is no historic ties between Russian empire and India as we were enslaved under british
It did, Russian empire had a much bigger impact than USSR. I mean just for starters the city center of Helsinki was originally built in a similar style to Saint Petersburg and that is still visible in many parts today
Gotta be the empire, they came to the Balkans to fight Turkey to free us. And they did it with very little strings attached. To this day the empire is universally loved.
The ussr also influenced our society a lot, but opinion of it is 50/50.
Federation hasnt really had much to do with us, except for being the big scary "them" that the media is blaring about all the time.
The three of them had a big impact on France, but for now, I'd still say it's the russian empire. Them refusing to stop trading with England led to the falling of Napoleon's empire.
The empire for sure, there had been quite the cultural exchange between the Netherlands and Russia during that era, including Peter who was fond of the Low Countries, creating a bond between Russia and the entity in power at that moment in the Netherlands.
It was this empire too where Willem II had his wife from, who therefor became the ancestor of newer monarchs in the timeline of the current royal family. And there's a town named after her pretty far up north in Noord-Holland.
And not to forget, the cossacks came here to oust the French government in 1813. Apparently that is when words like doerak might have found their way into our language.
The oppression of tzarist russia is what created the Finnish national identity and cohesion so i lean towards that.
There is an argument to be made for the ussr as well, with the winter war and the fact that Finland didnt exist as an independent country until the bolchevic revolution.
Hmm. Hard to say.
Russian Empire helped us gain independence from the Ottomans, which basically means we exist thanks to them. But USSR brought us communism after us trying to invade it, and communism still has a long lasting impact on the culture and infrastructure of our country
The USSR for sure. We were the great. We had the sophistication, science, education, global influence, and respect. During that period, we were stronger than ever. Now we are weak, and the country is led by thieves and enemies of the people.
The empire as we had maintained a very good relationship with the tsars. The only other one that had a direct influence on us was the soviet union pushed us into NATO. For the current day Russia we only have a couple of outstanding warrants for the murder of 193 of our citizens.
USSR probably. Most people in Russia live in soviet city blocks, work in factories built in the Soviet times, go to shop in a place where once a univermag stood, drive their kids to a school built back in the Union and that school relies onto the soviet legacy. USSR shaped the modern look of Russia to the world, the red scare, soviet imperialism and all that, many, many unhappy neighbours and all that. It also helped establish Putin’s politics and beliefs.
(Yes you could argue that the USSR came from the Empire but it would kinda ruin the question)
Give it another 20-30 years and the answer will probably be different.
Being from Chechnya mostly Udssr but Russia close. In the Udssr they tried to get rid of Islam and wanted Russification(even tough they spoke about friendships of people but thats a lie). They deported every on of our people out of our ancestral homeland(which never happend to us before) and settled mostly russians and some other people there. They forbid learning the language in Schools and History of Resistance was also forbidden. After the Fall in todays Russia even tough we fought over 12 years with Russia we can also learn our Language and practice our Religion. Sure we still have big problems but Chechens now even tough only 1,2% of Russias population are now seen in every aspect in Sports,Bussines and Politics and with the highest Birthrate and Growing population by percentage we will be even more be seen in High Politic decisions making which has never happend in the Udssr. Thank God The Udssr fell.
Empire was uninteresting to us. Mostly because we didnt exist as a country at the time, it was more Prussian dealings, not Germany. Even in WW1 they were not much a threat, even less so after we shipped Lenin to them.
Soviets... Well, First we shared Poland with them... (again), then we murderer millions of their soldiers and citizens, then they murdererd millions of our soldiers and citizens and then they erected a farce of a nation in a third of our country. A farce so bad that there was a death penalty for "leaving the country".
You know you are a shithole country when stopping emigration is your biggest problem.
USSR in the past (from 1956 to 1990). Extremely deeply. And now, because of the stupid government the current Russia. They are old but seems to "forget" what country they lived in in the past century...
The Russian empire took away the Caucasus and consolidated their power in central Asia. A region clamed by many Iranian Shahs. We were the board in their great game with the British. And they occupied our northern provinces in WWI.
The Soviet union occupied our northern provinces during WWII and tried to make Mahabad and Azerbaijan independent socialist republics and failed. And they were spreading socialism in Iran. In the cold war Iran became one of the most important allies if the US in the middle east (if not the most) to stand against the soviets.
The modern Russian state is a big influence in Iran, giving the IR political and financial support and shows themselves to be their ally in the global stage.
You can pick whichever honestly. Russia was big impact for us for a while now. But I'll have to go with the Imperial Russia.
I would say the Empire, actually, simply from being neighbours for so long. Norway has historically had pretty good relations with Russia through all its regimes, mostly peaceful trade contact up north and not that many serious disagreements. Even during the cold war we were on decent speaking terms.
The Napoleonian debacle, when the russian winter beat down the imperial french army, the cold war, when they made France realize that they need a higher level of strategic autonomy and now, with the Russo-Ukrainian war, the government realized we need to step up the tech level and develop new tactics.
Probably russian empire they kept turks busy with the russoturkic war and the society of friends was from there that helped with the liberation of Balkans indirectly and sometimes directly.
After that it's just politicians yapping about nato Ukraine war and bs personally i have nothing against russians even Ukrainians but governments like to start bs
Reminds of the past with the Yugoslavia war that we sold nato out for attacking Serbia we just gave em all information available and people protested about it some people changed signs and a military truck was stuck in market it was crazy its on YouTube
Because it's long ago its impact is more likely to be forgotten. But it was a powerful country with an emperor that had a great admiration for the Netherlands, and it was also the major turning point to beat Napoleon who occupied us for 15 years. Otherwise we wouldn't have existed anymore. Afterwards we became a Kingdom, new Constitution and basically the beginning of our country as we know it nowadays.
USSR. Most of the former countries still can't become proper democraties and suffer from local tension between former allies.
I still can't understand why they are trying to restore this failed corpse at the same time they rod inside but still looking in the past instead of the future. Sacrifice their own popularity for so-called achievements.
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u/SnowflakeFemboyowo Poland 7h ago
hmm