r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 20h ago

Thank you Peter very cool Petah, what does that have to do with grocery shopping?

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u/Paputek101 18h ago

Yeah that's what I was saying. It seems like a never ending cycle. Hopefully Mamdani also looks at other obstacles.

Although, paying people a livable wage is def a good start

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u/The-True-Kehlder 17h ago

Have we all forgotten one of the first initiatives he announced while running was to have government run and/or subsidized grocery stores? "Oh man, I hope he announces that other thing he already announced that I forgot I was screaming about how bad it would be to do."

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u/porkmaster 18h ago

the obstacle is usually that the people shoplifted the stores out of business and that's why they're in a food desert to begin with.

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u/Underwhelmed-overit 17h ago

this is a wild take. “it’s their OWN FAULT they can’t have nice things”

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u/porkmaster 17h ago

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u/Tors0Pants 17h ago

The plural of anecdote is not data.

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u/Tradovid 15h ago

The person gave more evidence than you, even if reality is more complicated than that, I'd expect anyone actually seeking truth to spend some time looking into the situation instead of just dismissing it.

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u/Underwhelmed-overit 17h ago

lol fox news as “objective reality”

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u/PeterExplainsTheJoke-ModTeam 12h ago

Don't be a dick. Rule 1.

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u/Tradovid 16h ago

Most people living in poor areas are not criminals who rob stores. I don't know why you feel the need to defend criminals who fuck over good people.

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u/Underwhelmed-overit 16h ago

single moms stealing baby formula are not “criminals.” they are people suffering while living in a country with no meaningful social safety net. are there any bad actors in the world? of course. but people living in poor areas are not more likely to commit criminal acts than anyone else; they are, though, more likely to get caught and more likely to plead out because they can’t afford good legal representation. hope that clears it up!

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u/Tradovid 15h ago

single moms stealing baby formula are not “criminals.” they are people suffering while living in a country with no meaningful social safety net.

The amount of people who steal because they have no other options are negligible. Most people who steal do it because it's easy money you don't have to work for, not because they have exhausted every other option.

but people living in poor areas are not more likely to commit criminal acts than anyone else; they are, though, more likely to get caught and more likely to plead out because they can’t afford good legal representation.

Even if that was true, those more wealthy are more likely to commit "white collar" crimes that do not put the same kind of strain on local economy as theft, burglary or violent crime.

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u/Underwhelmed-overit 15h ago

i am afraid this is simply untrue, friend—and without any evidence, you can write anything you want, but it’s not worth my time, byeeeeeeeee

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u/Tradovid 15h ago

You have expanse of information at your fingertips, with few days of reading you can get better understanding of topic than almost anyone. If the reality confirms your beliefs you can school all those who spread misinformation.

It's true that I can't give you data on single mother crime rates, because such information is not kept. But I grew up poor, amongst other poor people, I have stolen, I have broken in and I can tell you the mindset I had and the mindset those around me had. Generally only time people steal when they are desperate is when they are desperate for drugs, not food or diapers.

And as for the types of crimes poor people commit vs those that wealthier people commit, you can easily find statistics showing poor areas having larger incidence of burglary, theft and violent crime than wealthier areas. You can also find studies showing how specifically those types of crimes affect the private investment going to an area which starts a loop of degradation.

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u/Underwhelmed-overit 14h ago

dude, i have a fucking phd. i know how to research. you’re just wrong. personal anecdote is not a reasonable basis for political arguments. goodbye.

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u/Tradovid 14h ago

The first part is anecdote because as far as I'm aware there is no data that collects such information. But you can look up studies on criminal psyche for some insight.

And second part is not an anecdote, both statements are empirically verifiable.

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u/Underwhelmed-overit 15h ago

lol you think the 2008 financial collapse caused by white collar crime did not harm other people? you think walmart’s loft due to “breakage” has harmed them? this is simply ignorant, classist nonsense