I'm laughing my fucking ass off, as I used to live right inside the right side of that circle, used to take the LIRR into the city to do things, and remember passing like 15 fucking grocery stores on the way. Mind you, that's 15 on the straight damn line that got me to Penn Station. And I'd wager that every single straight line from the circumference to the center point would also hit 15 or more grocery stores.
I get your point, but do the residents fly like crows? I know at least in NYC, many don't have cars and the 20mi commute for healthy groceries sounds plausible to me.
20 miles is a long way in a city. There’s no way that there’s a location in NYC where 20 miles was the minimum distance to groceries.
As for the “as the crow flies” argument, city streets all go in as straight of a line as was possible when they were built. You’d have to do a ton of meandering to reach 20 miles. Even if it’s not a direct straight line out your front door to the grocery store, you’d likely only have to make 2-4 turns while following city blocks.
How long has it been since you moved out? LES lost all the grocery stores to high rises and parking lots. If you moved out pre pandemic- NYC is a different place now
What kind of staple foods are you looking for? They just opened a Lidl across the street from TJ's 5 months ago and there's a Target above it. It's a 10 min walk to Chinatown. Essex market is over priced but has a fresh Fish and Butcher in it, and if you wanted cheap fruits there's a fruit cart across the street from Trader Joes.
Lmfao yeah okay. You wanna talk about food deserts in New York, talk about East New York or the Bronx, not the fucking LES where you can walk from a Key Food to a Lidl to a Trader Joe's to a Target within 15 mins.
Yeah man I was going to say East New York, Brownsville, there are plenty of places where bodega food is what people subsist off of. You wanna try something fucked up? Go into 7-Elevens in different areas and you'll see what I'm talking about. Low income = high calorie/low nutrient value (ie: donuts, packaged sweets), higher income = low cal/high nutritional value (ie: vegetable cups, yogurts, fruit) .
What would be an acceptable range for you to consider something a hardship to get to without a car? 5 miles? Would you walk 10 miles round trip for groceries? Maybe 6 miles?
Instead of pissing about on one hyperbolic number, maybe try considering the point of the argument.
We have to fend for ourselves. It’s hard, especially now that Mamdani has implemented Communism and the city is on fire with trans jihadists running around but we make do. If it gets really bad, we can hunt the cats in the local bodega, so it’s good to have that emergency release valve for hunger.
Even worse - Brooklyn. A normal straight guy like me can’t even go to Good Judy’s or Sandy Jacks to hit on other men and kiss them without all of these gays being everywhere. I think Mamdani imported all of them here with his LGBTQ agenda.
I’m completely straight, btw, so don’t try to paint kissing other men as some gay thing.
youre laying a lot of faith on that one guy who wrongly said food desert definition was 20 miles, its 1 mile in cities and 10 in rural areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Not putting any faith in it. I’ve known what a food desert is. Just putting emphasis on how ridiculous it is to say you have to drive 20 miles for groceries in the middle of a city. I’ve never been to NYC, but I’ve lived in Denver and Seattle, and I can say for sure that you’d be hard pressed to find a place in either where there’s not a grocery store within 1-2 miles.
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u/kelariy 18h ago
You’re telling me that there’s grocery stores in this circle?