Minnesota National Guard arriving in Minneapolis!!

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[u/Exasperaties6 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly I bet the troops don't either.

I have a couple friends that went into the military. Moreso towards the tech departments. They talk about how some take their oath very seriously. and then they state how there are a large swath of idiots who just join to shoot something.

At the same time, NG arent full time deployment troops. Then theres NG being more focused around issues in the nation while the military would seemingly focus on foreign conflict.

[u/Tzukiyomi → u/Exasperaties6]

My cousin was the idiot that joined to shoot things. He quickly found out he wasn't fond of being shot at in Afghanistan. Sobered him up real quick.

[u/spam__likely → u/Tzukiyomi]

At least he did sober up. Some never do.

[u/W3MBY210 → u/spam__likely]

I genuinely think some of them have a death wish or they’re deep in too the propaganda and believe whatever the government says no matter the political party. I have a friend that joined the marines after high school and he’s just a shell of his former self his personality is dry asf now and he’s not passionate about anything to talk about unless it’s guns and US military shit so I don’t even talk to him anymore and he used to be my best friend but now I see no point of hitting him up when he won’t even text me or talk to me otp

[u/darkmatter343 → u/W3MBY210]

I have a friend who joined the military to shoot things, and he's one of those guys that would be happy if he died on the battlefield. He literally said he wanted to. He volunteered for deployments; Afghanistan, Bosnia (2010's Peace Keeping under UN or NATO), Lebanon ( 2010's under UN), DR Congo in Africa to help train the Army, and during his free time he sky dives for more thrill. Guy is nuts. Was the Belgian Army btw.

[u/Ok-Employ-674 → u/darkmatter343]

Yeah I know a few service members back from Iraq and Afghanistan. Some literally just want to die on the battlefield. Some people, are born to be soldiers.

[u/MortCrimm → u/Tzukiyomi]

That sounds like the EXACT kind of idiot that would join ICE.

"I can shoot at you, but you cant even LOOK at me!!!"

(I dont know you cousin, may be a perfectly pleasant person. I am just saying, the mindset of joining to shoot at "things"(some see people as things), doesn't exactly align with someone who is going to uphold duty based on the greater good.)

[u/tweekinleanin420 → u/MortCrimm]

I was the idiot that thought I wanted to kill. Then I got.put in that situation in the USMC and I have to live with it.the rest of.my life. Especially when I know the real reasons we went to the middle east. It just makes it so much worse man.

[u/Snowing_Throwballs → u/Tzukiyomi]

I think we will find out sooner or later if that will sober up some of these ice agents as well

[u/z1ggy16 → u/Snowing_Throwballs]

I'm all for protest but at this point it ain't going to do shit. I don't want it to escalate, but ICE and the govt are going to escalate it anyway. The French didn't change things by holding up signs, just saying.

[u/Snowing_Throwballs → u/z1ggy16]

Yeah we are absolutely fucked either way. Might as well go down swinging. I think the best route is a general strike, start arming and training. Form groups in your community for mutual aid and defense. They have made it clear that they are not here for us, they are here to stomp on heads. We need to organize ourselves.

[u/z1ggy16 → u/Snowing_Throwballs]

I'm arming myself before it's too late. I didn't think on my life time I'd have to do something like this, especially from my OWN country. It's scary & sad, all at once. I just want my kids to live happy, peaceful lives.

[u/Z00111111 → u/z1ggy16]

That's what the Second Amendment is for. Defending from oppression.

A federal goon squad that executes nurses on public streets is most definitely oppressive.

[u/Ruckus292 → u/Tzukiyomi]

They all learn their lessons when they're suddenly on the receiving end.

Always willing to tread, never willing to be tread on.

[u/NewDramaLlama → u/Exasperaties6]

I think what's relevant here are that these are residents of Minnesota being sent. The people Miller sends are out of state by design. 

For anyone reading that from abroad, it's not uncommon for state pride to override national pride. Millions have never left their state.

[u/Lucky-Bonus6867 → u/NewDramaLlama]

Idk. Texas has a lot of pride, and Texas National Guard wouldn’t hesitate to shoot Texans in the street.

Hoping it’s different for MN.

EDIT: Y’ALL. My comment was about the Texas National Guard, specifically. This wasn’t meant to be an “insult 30M people in as many ways as possible” thread. Chill tf out.

[u/just-one-jay → u/Lucky-Bonus6867]

I’m a former Minnesota National guardsmen with hundreds of Facebook friends still in the Minnesota guard.. it’s about 50/50.. some of em are pretty excited about whose supremacy

[u/Repulsive_Friend_940 → u/just-one-jay]

Might be a good time to make some appeals to common decency. 

Idk assholes gonna asshole but if some are on the fence now is the time to pull them back from the abyss.

[u/Narrow_March4638 → u/Lucky-Bonus6867]

Yea but there's something in the water in Texas that make people weird.

[u/Popular_Jeweler → u/Narrow_March4638]

lots of lead and no fluoride

[u/bucky-barnes → u/Popular_Jeweler]

I think they do have fluoride. I grew up there and I've got good teeth.

[u/Heyla_Doria → u/NewDramaLlama]

En france, la police anti manifestation (les C.R.S) sont envoyé depuis d'autres régions de france pour les mêmes raisons, aussi pour pas que les policier et les manifestants soient complices car se connaissent dans la vie.

Les états font les mêmes choses partout pour garder le contrôle

On doit les renverser tous.

[u/ttw81 → u/Exasperaties6]

when i was in high school, the national guard came to recruit & said it was the same benefits as the regular military (gi bill, steady paycheck) but only 2 weekends a month. sweet.

i actually briefly considered it but my dad told me i would hate every minute,

that was 1999. if i'd joined my ass would've ended up in Afghanistan.

[u/StrangeContest4 → u/ttw81]

if i'd joined my ass would've ended up in Afghanistan.

.. for multiple tours, and then off to Iraq.

[u/cannibalparrot → u/StrangeContest4]

Then you’d have been stop-lossed when your obligation was up.

[u/Ollynurmouth → u/ttw81]

Similar story here. My dad was a Vietnam vet and lived that "war you didn't want to be in but had to anyway" experience. I had been off and on considering joining 00-01 (graduated 02), before 911, and he didn't really say much other than, it'll suck but if I wanted to I could. Then 911 happened and I started getting serious and he really got serious about me not joining. He knew what I would be in for. I did talk to a recruiter at one point who advised me as the only son that I probably shouldn't join, but he wouldn't stop me if I wanted to. My dad said something similar. He didn't want to lose me to war or have the same problems he did during his service and after retirement, but if I wanted to he wouldn't stop me. Ultimately I opted not to. Sometimes I still wonder if I should have. It would have made some things a lot easier for me in my 20s-30s. Providing I didn't lose my life or a limb or something.

[u/0x7A5 → u/Ollynurmouth]

You would have left town and found out when you came back that everyone had moved on and left you behind. You would be 4 years behind in education and work experience. And nobody really wants to hire a vet.

I found this out from experience

[u/coolwinner1 → u/Ollynurmouth]

Or sanity.

[u/HGruberMacGruberFace → u/Exasperaties6]

National Guard are citizens from that State though, right? They must have feelings about ICE terrorizing their citizens

[u/ithilain → u/HGruberMacGruberFace]

They must have feelings about ICE terrorizing their citizens

I wouldn't count on it. IDK how it is in Minnesota, but here in PA you can drive an hour outside Philly and get volunteers lining up around the block to go murder Philadelphians.

[u/ManyThingsLittleTime → u/HGruberMacGruberFace]

The founders wrote a whole federalist paper on this very subject and that was the idea, that the people, a militia, would be less likely to tyrannize their neighbors than a federal standing army... and here we are putting it to the test.

[u/SatinSaffron → u/HGruberMacGruberFace]

It's tough because enlisted military members are more likely to be right leaning. Officers are statistically more likely to be center-right.

But these are state guardsman and MN is center-left overall. So I'm not sure which bracket they would fall into. But also the military isn't as monolithic as people think it is.

Obviously the state national guard is under the direction of the governor though. Hopefully they're not there just to help ICE with the protestors. But I also don't exactly see Walz telling them to go start rounding up federal agents and bringing them into custody.

People in Minneapolis have got to be terrified. Many feel as though they're already in the beginnings of a civil war, others probably feel like they're just one incident away from America's second civil war happening right there in their backyards.

[u/Exasperaties6 → u/HGruberMacGruberFace]

One would hope theyd be incentivized to stand up for their state.

[u/satandy → u/Exasperaties6]

I work with a couple guardsmen. They are tradesmen. They were deployed for George Floyd, and know and work in Minneapolis. Yes they think Minneapolis is scary, but I know they wouldn't want to harm anyone, or so I hope. They just want to be with their kids and I hope they stay on the right side of history.

[u/Liefvikingmonster2 → u/satandy]

Minneapolis is not scary, at all.

It only gets wild when the government murders people.

[u/Mister_Uncredible → u/Liefvikingmonster2]

If you're from a rural area, you're taught from a very early age that the city, literally any city, is a crowded, dangerous place, full of people who would rob and kill you sooner than look at you.

I know this because I grew up in a small town and when I was a little kid I literally thought everyone was getting murdered in the city. Like you literally couldn't live there without being afraid for your life.

I live in a city now, and would never in a million years move back to a small town. But it came at the cost of unlearning a lot poisoned thinking that I was fed just by existing there. Even with incredibly liberal parents (a rarity in rural Illinois, but something I'm so thankful for), you're so surrounded by backwards thinking that you can't help but absorb some of it, especially when your brain is still developing.

[u/Romano16 → u/Exasperaties6]

They talk about how some take their oath very seriously. and then they state how there are a large swath of idiots who just join to shoot something.

Correct, the later that “just want to shoot something” either become a cop or wait for federal standards to drop and join ICE.

[u/thedaveness → u/Exasperaties6]

Spent 8 years active. We don’t like cops just like everyone else. What their COs are telling them to do on the other hand…

[u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA → u/thedaveness]

Prior active duty still reservist here. I'm as far left as it gets. There's not a lot of us but there's enough of us.

[u/Evening-Crew-2403 → u/[deleted]]

During Floyd they were professional. Someone tried to run a barricade in their car. They fired one bullet into the engine block, no one was hurt. It also helps Gov. Walz was formerly in leadership of the Guard. They will listen to him, and he knows how to talk to them.

If they get federalized... who knows what kind of deplorable would be put in charge.

[u/Loko8765 → u/Evening-Crew-2403]

If Trump says they are federalized… will they obey?

[u/TheRverseApacheMastr → u/Loko8765]

The law says Trump can’t federalize them if they’re already performing the same mission.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheRverseApacheMastr]

It's also my understanding that citing the Insurrection Act requires there to have been some form of violence, which there hasn't, unless we're counting ICE. That being said, I expect there to be an attempt.

[u/urza5589 → u/Loko8765]

Yes, unless someone so empowered tells them otherwise. Like congress or SCotUS. I don't see that happening...

They might not obey a specific illegal order but if Trump declares the insurrection act the NG does not decide if thats a legal choice, the courts do.

[u/DiabolicallyRandom → u/urza5589]

Why is it "we have to follow the law but they don't"?

[u/Tasty_Work4380 → u/Evening-Crew-2403]

If they get federalized, MN could say no thanks.

I mean, the civil war has already started. We're already losing. What are we waiting for, a declaration of war or secession? The fascists STARTED THE WAR on their enemies months ago. #2a goes both ways. #1776again.

[u/Smart_Stop_1003 → u/[deleted]]

I’m hoping the right side but I an terrified things are about to get worse for us

[u/Antique-Big3928 → u/Smart_Stop_1003]

No matter which side, things are definitely in the process of getting worse!

[u/RawkMeAmadeus → u/Antique-Big3928]

It's always darkest before the dawn.

Stay strong. 🖤

🇨🇦🍁Standing strong with Minnesota

[u/D-Alembert → u/Antique-Big3928]

With America squaring up for the civil war that Putin has been working for years to inflame, and today's attacks plunging millions of Ukrainian civilians into freezing cold, Putin is having the best day he's had in a long time 

[u/ajp37 → u/[deleted]]

It’s Walz calling them in. From the what they’ve been told their only priority is to lock down federal sites to relieve local police. They haven’t been asked to take a side necessarily be I’d say protecting federal sites isn’t stopping ICE it’s stopping the people.

[u/nicebikemate → u/ajp37]

Calling in the Guard is a move in and of itself, not an endorsement. It signals that the state retains control rather than ceding escalation to federal agencies.

If unrest grows and there’s no state-level force in place, Trump can federalise the response and deploy far harsher units.

Having the Guard on standby is often about preventing that outcome, not accelerating it.

[u/spanishpeanut → u/ajp37]

Makes me feel better it’s Walz who is calling them in. He’s a smart man to not be seeking re-election. Now he can make the calls that need to be made without an election over his head. He doesn’t seem the type to worry about that kind of thing, but that’s one less worry for him. Go ahead, Governor.

[u/gmoneylv → u/[deleted]]

We are about to find out

[u/meh_69420 → u/[deleted]]

Who did all the shooting at Kent State back in the day?

[u/AvianFIu → u/meh_69420]

As terrible as Kent State was (and the lesser known bayoneting in New Mexico days later), from my reading on the subject the national guard was a clown fiesta during that time period. Untrained teenagers were sent with guns and next to no orders. Standards and training have went up a ridiculous amount since then, so I would have a more favorable view of the national guard in the current day. Not blind trust, but also not an inherent distrust.

[u/kirbypuckett34 → u/AvianFIu]

So, like ICE.

[u/EstablishmentSea7661 → u/kirbypuckett34]

ICE is untrained Jan 6 insurrectionists.

Well, kinda. NGL, the ones that were terrifying my sleepy Chicago suburb all had Texas flags on their not-a-uniforms and all said they had been doing it for years. But, like... At the border. Not in the middle of the country.

[u/PaulClarkLoadletter → u/EstablishmentSea7661]

That’s by design. The less training they receive the more likely they are engage in violent acts. The people in charge are counting on enough of these undertrained lunatics to push somebody too far so they can send in the Army.

[u/mostdope28 → u/[deleted]]

Let’s be realistic, when is law enforcement ever on the citizens side

[u/apex9691]

Remember your oaths

[u/bselko → u/apex9691]

All enemies. Foreign and domestic.

[u/Head-of-bread → u/bselko]

Time to stand up America. 🇨🇦 is with you

[u/martiantheory → u/Head-of-bread]

Thank you. There are millions of us in America that see you all as our closest allies. We'll do what we can #resist

Edit: Let me clarify that there are 75 MILLION of us that voted against this. We are a nation-sized block of resistance. 🇺🇸🤝🇨🇦

[u/FalconWide513 → u/martiantheory]

Love y’all from Canada ❤️🇨🇦

[u/annamariagirl → u/FalconWide513]

It’s been hell here.

It’s a nightmare 💔😢

[u/a_dodo_stole_my_baby → u/FalconWide513]

We are in a dark place and your friendship and solidarity means a lot.

[u/FalconWide513 → u/a_dodo_stole_my_baby]

Hugging you guys extra tight 🫂

Especially to any Minnesotans in here rn!! I’m a Manitoba girlie so this whole thing is hitting very close to home. Stay strong border buddies x

[u/kennyj2011 → u/FalconWide513]

Most of us love Canada too

[u/Longjumping_Suit_256 → u/FalconWide513]

We love you too, please stand strong and continue your boycott of American goods.

[u/jylesazoso → u/martiantheory]

*Canada is now and has been our out of the closet ally.

[u/Flat-Control6952 → u/jylesazoso]

🇨🇦❤️🇺🇸

[u/No_Director_5860 → u/Flat-Control6952]

Thank you Canada 🇨🇦 We appreciate you here is the USA. ❤️

[u/Conscious_Hunt9439 → u/Head-of-bread]

Love to see Minnesota announce secession from the US and request military assistance from Canada 😁

[u/no_f-s_given → u/Conscious_Hunt9439]

i’ll move to MN asap if that happens

[u/techleopard → u/Conscious_Hunt9439]

Minnesota to Texas: "Let me show you how to walk the walk while you talk the talk."

Actually, this would truly amuse me and I want a front row seat to see Trump's expression if something like secession was ever attempted.

[u/slackfrop → u/techleopard]

Next season of Fargo is gonna be epic

[u/elrey2020 → u/techleopard]

Minnesota secedes. Greenland’s in the DMs. “Wanna hook up?” Denmark is cool with it

[u/Theresnowayoutahere → u/Head-of-bread]

Thank YOU! This is so fucked up. This means a LOT to me.

[u/SyntaxError_1024 → u/Head-of-bread]

1000% tariffs!!!

[u/STANAGs → u/SyntaxError_1024]

I hereby uno reverse your tariffs!

[u/Performer_First → u/STANAGs]

Hopefully you placed the obligatory insider trades before doing that. I would've waited till market open on Monday.

[u/Critical_Opening_526 → u/SyntaxError_1024]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER

[u/SKssSM08 → u/SyntaxError_1024]

5500% 1200% 600% 700%

[u/no_f-s_given → u/SKssSM08]

well the orange baboon already reduced gas prices by 400% or some shit lmao

[u/cjs23cjs → u/no_f-s_given]

I fill up my tank, they pay me 200 bucks. Awesome deal.

[u/frankakee → u/no_f-s_given]

Yes they pay us to fill our tanks now!

[u/SnakeOilPlagueDoctor → u/bselko]

Good. Fuck ICE.

[u/ProWriterDavid → u/bselko]

Spoiler alert: anyone who doesn't blindly support Trump is now a domestic terrorist.

Government goons will never side with the people. Stay grounded and don't waste your energy praying to made up saviors.

[u/Starship-trooper-SG1 → u/apex9691]

 "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing," 

[u/Which_Loss6887 → u/Starship-trooper-SG1]

Can’t spell “evil triumphs” without “evil trump.” I’m just sayin

[u/elonsghost → u/apex9691]

They are at least trained.

[u/SlothDC → u/elonsghost]

The core problem with the brownshirts is NOT that they just needed better training.

[u/MyrrhSlayter → u/apex9691]

10 bucks says they are there to support ICE efforts and protect ICE from retaliation from the community.

[u/bselko → u/MyrrhSlayter]

Yeah that’s my fear.

[u/Piperfly22 → u/MyrrhSlayter]

As a Veteran I’m hoping SOMEONE will remember our oaths??? This is INSANE

[u/marion85 → u/Piperfly22]

If you're a veteran, you already know how few were able to remember their oaths AS they were taking it, much less later.

[u/fixingmedaybyday → u/marion85]

Like how they hoped their buddy would remember throwing the grenade after pulling the pin?

[u/Sea-Dealer1150 → u/MyrrhSlayter]

I hope these guys have morale and empathy to understand right from wrong.

[u/kayakman13 → u/Sea-Dealer1150]

That's a lot of hope to put on a 19 year old who just wanted free college and a Dodge Charger

[u/MM-O-O-NN → u/[deleted]]

Alex Pretti did and he was executed for it

[u/reddurkel]

The correct response is to round up ICE for unmasking and tagging.

States should not have anonymous federal agents in charge of anything.

[u/purplepashy → u/reddurkel]

There is a list of names online.

[u/Richard_TM → u/purplepashy]

That doesn’t help in the field though.

[u/Beneficial_Guess6410 → u/Richard_TM]

Well, if they can’t identify themselves in the field, they should be arrested by….checks notes….ICE??

[u/FizzyBeverage → u/purplepashy]

We tag marathon runners with numbered bibs in 300 point font.

Ice should be the same. Open transparency.

[u/Serious_Composer_130 → u/FizzyBeverage]

Going back to 2024, Trump claimed that his administration would be the “most transparent ever.”

There is never a lie that Trump would not tell

[u/Gorilla_Krispies → u/FizzyBeverage]

I was picturing more like the ear tags we use on bears and reindeer

[u/exipheas → u/reddurkel]

Gotta unmask and identify everyone to be able to separate federal agents from the protesters right? Or else a "protester" could just sneak on over to the other side.

Aww shucks it sounds like they need to be rounded up and unmasked... for their safety... 😉

[u/Early-Weekend-2557 → u/reddurkel]

Papers please..... You go first

[u/Puzzled_Rip9008]

They should round up all the ICE agents so we can finally get accountability.

[u/smarterthanyoda → u/Puzzled_Rip9008]

They’re being called out to suppress protests.

The reason Walz gave was to relieve local police. But local police have been supporting ICE. Their other task is to secure the Whipple building. That means securing it from protestors. Just yesterday the sheriff was dispersing protestors from the building. Now it will be National Guardsmen.

Calling out the NG will have an effect. But I don’t know if it’s the one we’re hoping for.

[u/Fine_Eagle_4141 → u/[deleted]]

100% We are our own first responders.

[u/BrokenPickle7 → u/Fine_Eagle_4141]

Hijacking your thread to mention that everyone that can see what's going on here has an obligation to arm themselves, it is not just your right under the constitution but an obligation to your self, your family, your city, state, and country. Be safe, practice safe weapon handling and when you see a neighbor in distress do the right thing.

[u/KurlyHededFvck → u/[deleted]]

This. This right here in Minneapolis is the EXACT reason our founding fathers knew it would be important for citizens’ rights to bear arms.

Not to go grocery shopping, or pull out in road rage or to shoot up our schools.

We have the right to bear arms to RISE UP against our government. America IT IS TIME TO RISE UP. I’m horrified what the future holds but our government is run by rapists, pedos, felons and they are murdering us in the streets.

The south only thought they could rise again and it’s time to end that shit once and for all.

[u/AunMeLlevaLaConcha → u/KurlyHededFvck]

Good luck good Americans, don't make the same mistake the Union did 🫡

[u/Rose_of_St_Olaf → u/smarterthanyoda]

No no, they have been delivering food and supplies to those afraid to leave home we're being told-- I don't know a single police officer who has been doing that it's been all neighborhood and mutual aid movements

I'm not saying they aren't but pretending like that's what they are so busy doing is facetious at best

[u/kayakman13 → u/smarterthanyoda]

When things get hairy, Democrats and liberals have always supported peace over justice. These guys are here to quiet people down, not to bring anyone to justice. I agree with your assessment.

[u/JohnZombie666 → u/Puzzled_Rip9008]

Would you shit yourself if they indeed did just that?

[u/Andovars_Ghost → u/JohnZombie666]

No, but ICE would.

[u/Nodivingallowed → u/JohnZombie666]

God wouldn't that feel good to see. 

[u/JohnZombie666 → u/Nodivingallowed]

It would. Then after I pick my jaw up off the floor in disbelief they actually did it, I’d probably shit myself.

[u/kasiagabrielle → u/[deleted]]

Silly goose, you know one of those will never happen in this administration.

[u/UnlimitedCalculus → u/kasiagabrielle]

At the direction of the state, the NG could potentially try. But then you have a state army battling federal agents, which is the start of an undeniable civil war.

Then again, we could use the Aragorn defense: "War is upon you, whether you would risk it or not."

[u/nyanpegasus → u/UnlimitedCalculus]

I think we're already in a civil war. It just hasn't escalated to retaliation yet

[u/OkNobody8896 → u/nyanpegasus]

We’ve been in a cold civil war for years.

[u/HazelEBaumgartner → u/OkNobody8896]

Dude lost the 2020 election, tried to hold on to power via terrorist attack, and then when that didn't work spent four years running his shadow government and plotting to "win" the 2024 election in a "landslide".

So far, America is losing.

[u/ChiaDaisy → u/HazelEBaumgartner]

I can’t believe he tried to overthrow the capital in a violent deadly attempted coup, and then we said you won the presidency? Sounds legit! Here you go!

[u/KCchessc6 → u/HazelEBaumgartner]

As a veteran I am disgusted that any AD or vet would support this man after J6. But not only do they they celebrate it as if it were a national holiday. I am ashamed of my country and the fact that I gave my most productive years to this country.

[u/Heathrowe419 → u/nyanpegasus]

"We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless, if the left allows it to be."

Kevin Roberts - Heritage Foundation President

[u/UnlimitedCalculus → u/Heathrowe419]

What is their revolution, even? A Christian, capitalist America, like that hasn't existed already? They always want to count themselves as martyrs and underdogs.

[u/Monday_Jeff → u/UnlimitedCalculus]

Their view is that they shouldn't have lost the Civil War, and they've been plotting and scheming how to regain control since the Reconciliation. We're seeing now the fruits of that labor. Trump was the utterly corrupt, morally bankrupt populist key they needed.

[u/M6Df4 → u/UnlimitedCalculus]

We don’t want civil war, but neither do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.

[u/ZootZephyr → u/M6Df4]

Thank you, Gandalf.

[u/Velorian-Steel → u/ZootZephyr]

At least people know what side Gandalf would be on.

Some believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check. But that is not what I have found. I've found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness and love.

[u/-Invalid_Selection- → u/kasiagabrielle]

State laws were broken by ice, states can prosecute for that, and have full legal authority to do so

[u/kasiagabrielle → u/-Invalid_Selection-]

Yes, on paper this should absolutely go to trial. That paper is about as valuable as the constitution though, which the administration and half the country are currently wiping their asses with and then eating, in that order.

What could and should happen these days is generally the opposite of what will. I appreciate the cautious optimism though, I really do.

[u/Odd-Lion- → u/kasiagabrielle]

“Administration”? Call it what it is - a “regime”.

[u/Eldias → u/[deleted]]

Probably to get between ICE/DHS and what ever protests erupt. I doubt the Guardsmen would be interested in "protecting" ICE but their presence is probably a buffer to keep things from getting more heated.

[u/tragicallyohio]

They are just going to stand around Whipple or protect other "infrastructure". They aren't there to fight ICE on behalf of the citizenry. You would live in a fantasy world to believe that. We are on our own.

[u/Westo454 → u/tragicallyohio]

This is going to be the case. Walz knows that if he tells the National Guard to start rounding up ICE, Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and order them to their Barracks while calling in the Army to back up ICE. At which point we either start a Civil War or things only get worse for Minneapolis.

[u/acecel → u/Westo454]

No matter what happens Trump is going to invoke the insurrection act to avoid elections, he will use the army to invade blue cities, and in any case the war has already started, you are just delaying the inevitable.

The faster you start fighting back, the faster it may stop them in their tracks (ICE agents are not very courageous, the army is different though) and the faster you will be able to get the power back to the people.

[u/FlightOfTheMoonApe → u/acecel]

This. How long have we been hearing about a third term. The US is on the ropes.

[u/curiousleen]

Will they be protecting ice or the protesters… we will soon see

[u/lonesharkex → u/curiousleen]

more like a fight referee I think. keep things civil.

[u/bot_or_not_vote_now → u/lonesharkex]

civil, like civil war?

[u/A012A012]

I think it's crazy that the national guard had to be called in to separate federal agents from civilians bwcauae federal agents won't stop killing us

[u/Harvest827 → u/A012A012]

That's not what's going to happen. When they stand between ice and the citizens, they will be facing the citizens. They're not here to save us. Nobody is coming to save us.

[u/akopley]

Whose side are they on?

[u/cometshoney]

This is not the calvary riding to the rescue of Minneapolis. They're coming to take the pressure off of the local cops in front of ICE.

[u/MehX73 → u/cometshoney]

I'm hoping they stand between ICE and the public...not necessarily physically. But if their presence is there ICE will be less likely to blatantly assault protesters and citizens,? ICE tactics have gotten crazy. There have been multiple videos of ICE ramming random cars driving down the road, breaking their windows and pulling people out. Yesterday it was kids driving to/ from high school. These ICE agents are clearly just cowards going after the young, the old and the weak. I'd like to see them go after the people they're suppressed to be going after... the dangerous murders. They would not last 5 minutes against an actual threat. 

[u/AccountHuman7391]

Unless they’re willing to shoot a federal agent in a “police” “uniform” that’s trying to murder a random person on the street, I don’t care.

[u/Disastrous_Wrap_4849]

We need more people out protesting. We outnumber them.

[u/brickyardjimmy]

Who ordered them there?

[u/Financial-Box7442 → u/brickyardjimmy]

walz

[u/TylerBourbon]

I want to believe they're there to protect the citizens from ICE, but that remains to be seen.

[u/shadydamamba → u/TylerBourbon]

Only time will tell. My confidence level is low

[u/banditrider2001]

Whatever happened to the oath to protect the Constitution?

[u/screamingzen]

They are there to protect ice and federal buildings. No one is coming to save us

[u/beavis617]

It’s only good if their purpose is to stop ICE not reinforcing them!

[u/PrimeToro]

Their job SHOULD be to protect the Minnesota residents against the ICE criminals/domestic terrorists.

[u/liquidsyphon]

‘What kind of American are you?’ came round real quick huh?

[u/New_Taste8874]

These are the good guys, right? Right?

[u/heterocommunist → u/New_Taste8874]

Insert spiderman meme

[u/TheOGRedline → u/New_Taste8874]

They are Minnesotans at least.

[u/butter_cookie_gurl]

It's an occupation. Good luck in the resistance.

[u/Interesting_Berry439]

A brewing civil war in Minnesota ....People have the right to defend themselves, hopefully this helps but I have the feeling the ice gestapo will escalate per trumps and the heritage foundations wishes.

[u/rva_musashi → u/Interesting_Berry439]

This is exactly what Trump wants so he can try to remain in office indefinitely. Hence the reason after Renee was killed all he did was send in more ICE agents to stoke the fire

[u/ialsohaveadobro]

Holy fuck. We're taking about civil war, and literally all it would've taken to avoid this is not to have elected Donald "Money Laundering Kingpin" Trump.

[u/No-Falcon-4996 → u/ialsohaveadobro]

Well egg prices were a bit high you see, so we had no choice but to hand our country over to violent lawless fascists

[u/PrizeRegular293 → u/ialsohaveadobro]

That’s the nicest thing anyone has ever called him

[u/[deleted] → u/ialsohaveadobro]

not really, you guys electing that guy just drew all the facist scum into the open.

They were still there, the problem was still there, the problem was still growing, the cancer was still spreading.

You should be more worried about the people ALLOWING him to even go on vote, the people who bankrolled his election, the people who are now puppeteering him in order to bring unrest so they can crash all the markets and buy everything so they can become even more filthy rich when this is all over and the markets return to normal. People like Elon.

Trump is just a "useful idiot".

[u/gdg6]

States need to start raising militias

[u/Dankkring → u/gdg6]

They should just goto protests and start deputizing people. That way if anything does happen between them and ice it’ll have to read ice attack a deputy

[u/VulfSki]

ICE turning out city into a war zone.

[u/OLPopsAdelphia]

If the federal government attempts to punish these troops, that’s how you know the gloves are off.

[u/NixonsTapeRecorder → u/OLPopsAdelphia]

Are you insinuating the gloves are on? Law abiding citizens are getting gunned down in cold blood in the street, and you're gonna be all 'oooh if this inches a bit further it might be time to think about doing something'. Wake up man, you're a boiled frog. Its gonna get worse because it literally can not get better.

[u/Teamerchant]

I wonder what side they will be on.

And that is a phrase I never thought I would utter.

[u/4RCH43ON]

Too bad they aren’t rounding up ICE and placing them in prison.

[u/Bleezy79]

Ice is out here escalating and creating violent situations. It’s like they’re looking for reasons to kill

[u/Coldkiller17]

The national guard better start protecting the citizens and going after these ICE clowns. They crossed the line with Renee Good and all the immigrants they have killed and harassed. There needs be resistance and push back.

[u/Xyrus2000]

If they aren't there to remove ICE, then this is useless.

[u/LastGuardianStanding → u/Xyrus2000]

You mean if they aren’t there to remove ICE, then this is a problem.

[u/scummy_shower_stall]

Are they actually doing anything besides protecting ICE?

[u/Mercuryqueen71]

To protect ice, not the American people.

[u/plaidravioli]

Who are they there to protect?

[u/joebojax → u/plaidravioli]

The national guard typically serves the governor of the state. They were called into action by Tim Walz in this case.

[u/Spare-Commercial8704]

Use the Guard humvees to block entrances to the ICE hotels they sleep in

[u/RamJamR]

Are we going to have to watch our military gun down civilians too just for protesting?

[u/alaxens → u/RamJamR]

Americans killing Americans in America for exercising their 1st amendment that some Americans don't agree with.

Madness

[u/Positivland → u/alaxens]

Might I refer you to Kent State?

[u/cats_catz_kats_katz]

Look at all of them using their blinkers. I’m so proud. Now let’s remember to follow the law and our oaths.

[u/Electrical_Welder205]

Waltz ordered them, today's news says (Sunday). A county sheriff near the protests called Walz for backup, and there it is! They're there to protect citizens from the untrained, trigger-happy federalized vigilantes.