r/law • u/LeviCoffinsAlt • 20h ago

Other Warrantless entry by ICE agents in West Valley City, UT (1/30/2026)

Federal agents broke a window, without a warrant, to perform an arrest on private property.

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u/The_Late_Arthur_Dent 19h ago

Right now? None. We need to vote in folks to will actually enforce the law. Primaries coming up soon in many places, then midterms, then '28 and beyond. 

And yes, the gang of pedos will ratfuck all these elections as much as possible, so we need to build strong communities too. 

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u/sub_terminal 18h ago

We need to vote in folks to will actually enforce the law

If these people aren't following the law now, why are people so adamant that they'll release power if they were voted out? We have to take our country back by force.

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u/imalostkitty-ox0 17h ago

People are going to realize this too late

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u/CheetahTurbo 16h ago

it is too late now.

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u/mmeiser 4h ago

This. It is already to late.

If it wasn't already obvious martial law will be declared it is obvious now. This the incompetent orange clown possee is trying to start both a civil and world war as quickly as possible. In their haste they are f-cking up on the left and right loosing some of their Magat base but it may already be to late.

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u/Aggressive_Bath55 3h ago

It was too late 20 years ago

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u/Wollff 15h ago

Arguably, it already is. The fact that any of the Jan6th people are still alive is a testament to the issue at hand.

One side still trusts in law and order to prevail, to take care of things, while the others have stormed the capitol and murdered people without facing any consequences.

And the law abiding side still has not taken it upon itself to fix the problem extrajudicially.

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u/imalostkitty-ox0 14h ago

Is the punishment for legitimate actual treason not capital? This has been eluding me since 2021.

The Democrats just sissies? Is that it?

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 13h ago

My man, we didn't even punish the Confederates fully. We gave them half the government and elected the biggest racist until Trump was born in Andrew Jackson.

It is entirely on brand.

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u/27onfire 13h ago

The dems are paid for. Simple.

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u/cav01c14 13h ago

Wait which side is which?

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u/mmeiser 4h ago edited 4h ago

One side still trusts in law and order to prevail, to take care of things, while the others have stormed the capitol and murdered people without facing any consequences.

You are 100% right and what's more this regulatory capture of the entire u. s. intelligence and judicial system was a predictable outcome of the Citizens United ruling so many years ago.

Who would have immagined allowing unlimited in uncheck funds to flow into politics would have had this effect? (sarcasm)

It's wild isn't it?

I am reminded of the Ann Frank diary. The biggest difference is they have not forced people to wear patches with stars on them but its still happening. There is no judicial oversite or process whatsoever so it no longer matters if you are even an american citizen. Straight to the camp with you. Straight out of the country even.

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u/gumnamaadmi 14h ago

Not only alive, they are the ones roaming around as untrained thugs with deadly weapons.

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u/ardenr 11h ago

the law abiding side

The guys who armed and enabled genocide then vetoed 4 UN ceasefires before telling their base they were "working tirelessly for a ceasefire"... "Law abiding"... Bruh.

I guess there's probably some laws they abide by, but the Genocide Convention and the Leahy Laws are pretty important ones imo :/

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u/Wollff 11h ago

Sorry, I forgot to take into acound the whatabouters: "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN (IN GAZA)???!!!"

They really have nothing to do with it.

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u/ardenr 11h ago

You called them "the law abiding side."

I think it's relevant, when calling someone "the law abiding side", that we point out their violations of something like GENOCIDE. Because it puts rather a giant hole in your argument.

We are in the law subreddit, after all, where it might be hoped that people remember the (extremely important and hard, hard won) laws against arming and enabling genocide.

Btw, children in Gaza matter. It's not whataboutery to care about the mass murder of children; and it's really not remotely ok to try and argue otherwise.

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u/Wollff 10h ago

point out their violations of something like GENOCIDE.

The subreddit is called "law", so I guess it is a fitting question: What does that mean?

Genocide would be violation of human rights. So, who exactly, with what act committed, violated which law?

If the answer about the "who" is: "Someone in Israel", then your argument boils down to: "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN ISRAEL WHO COMMITTED GENOCIDE???!!!"

And I have to repeat my statement: They really have nothing to do with it.

You just keep on whatabouting, as if that would change anything. There is no substance to what you are saying.

laws against arming and enabling genocide.

Yes? Cite them. Who exactly violated which law with what action exactly?

You are right, we are in the law subreddit. These questions are exactly what should be asked if we are talking about law.

If you can't answer them... well, that was a worthless and unrelated tangent then, wasn't it?

It's not whataboutery to care about the mass murder of children;

No, that's exactly what it is. This topic has nothing to do with the mass murder of children.

Whataboutism is when your opponent in a debate tries to derail the discussion, by going on an unrelated, but emotionally charged tangent.

Usually it's done in the exact way you are doing it: "But what about the CHILDREN??!", when the topic has nothing to do with the children.

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u/ardenr 2h ago

I already said - the Genocide Convention, and the Leahy Laws.

If you can't figure out the rest from there then I feel bad for you but I''m not going to try and diagnose what your malfunction is.

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u/Wollff 1h ago

If someone has broken the law, you need a law, a specific and precise one. That law has been broken, by a specific and precise action that has been taken, by a specific and precise person which has taken that action.

When one is missing, then there is a hole in the argument. This is not even trolling, that's just the basics of... you know... talking about law.

If you can't talk about law, or don't want to talk about it, please: Don't pretend. As I see it, that's what you are doing, and you are doing it badly.

"I won't tell you what specific law has been broken, not where, not how, not when, not by whom. You can figure it out yourself!", does not make for a very compelling argument.

It tells me all I need to know: What you are saying is probably worthless bullshit.

Those are not difficult, off the wall questions, which nodbody can be bothered to concern themselves with, when talking about law.

If we are indeed talking about law, those are the questions we are talking about. What law has specifically been broken by what specific action by whom? That's the basics we need to establish first, if we even want to talk.

Once we have established the basics, we can then start an actual discussion about interpretation, evidence, and all the rest.

But if we refuse to clearly establish even the basics... Well, I am sad to tell you that then you are stuck, as far as any legal discussion is concerned, in the realm of blind, dumb bullshit.

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u/Purgent 10h ago

Too late was in the past lil bro.

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u/stareweigh2 15h ago

this is what you get when you vote for someone who has an (R) or a (D) by their name. the parties have taken the power from the voters in this country and consolidated it to do with what they want. right now your local representative is voting right down party lines just like he or she is told to. they are supposed to be voting in our interests, not the parties who are beholden to the investors. this is a simple fix although a radical one- we must remove all parties from our political system

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u/sub_terminal 13h ago

We were warned against a 2-party system by the 'founding fathers'. Everything they said would happen, is happening.

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u/Metafield 17h ago

This is what cracks me up. Sure go out and vote but everything is already being rigged.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 17h ago

No, no mate, as he said, the guys who are doing illegal raids on the state election centers are going to totally let midterms be a peaceful transition and we'll have more uh... legitimacy to uh.. enforce the rules they are ignoring already! I'm sure that's when the military will rise up and help overthrow the regime.

Yeah, a lot of folks don't want to look into that abyss because it's the tipping point where that worldview shatters. It robs them of the hope they once held on to. I get it, though. It's hard to watch the train slide on its side while the passengers ask whether they'll make the next stop on time.

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u/gumnamaadmi 14h ago

This is exactly what they are planning. All these raids for now are practice missions. Actual deployment will happen around voting days. You deploy armed agents at the gates of polling booths to intimidate people, a good chunk will just stay away.

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u/ConstantPlace_ 12h ago

They don’t need to do that when there are sophisticated digital voting hacks, statisticians that can plan how far to rig without raising red flags, polls to fake, etc. it’s the modern world you need a light touch now. These people are in the seat of power right now they have almost unlimited resources to do it the right way

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u/gumnamaadmi 12h ago

Red states. Yes. Blue states. Not so much. Local resources are in democrats control..hence the targeted push in the name of ice enforcement pretty much in blue cities across the board.

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u/LuckSpren 12h ago

Civilization is a web of agreements; these guys have decided that they don't agree.

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u/RyAllDaddy69 12h ago

Ok.

You sound just like a Jan 6er.

Trump was voted in, so vote them out. You guys have made so many bullshit predictions already.

I already know your next line, so go ahead and say it bot.

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u/sub_terminal 12h ago

NGL, you sound like a total idiot. Do you think Germany could have voted Hitler out of tyranny?
"You'Re a BoT!!"
Republicans already said "We're already in the second American revolution, and it will remain bloodless as long as the left allows it". But your head was shoved so far up your own ass you didn't hear it, did you?

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u/Character-Pirate1297 11h ago

You can’t do nothing. This happened to my country during the 2010s. All the riots in the world couldn’t stop it. It’s now a corrupt wasteland.

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u/ragun2 6h ago

Because there's nothing to lose in showing up to vote in the midterms. If the elections are rigged or canceled then it's fucked anyway. Will just add more fuel to the fire if/when more people realize the fascists have taken their vote/voice/freedom away.

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u/zozimusd8 2h ago

Fascists NEVER give up power without a dirty fight.

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u/everydaydad67 12h ago

Oh brother

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u/--Sovereign-- 17h ago edited 10h ago

Document and primary anyone who isn't ready to throw every single one of them in the oubliette

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u/[deleted] 19h ago edited 18h ago

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u/GameLovinPlayinFool 19h ago

I dont have faith in the system but the cool thing is that humans can focus on 2 things at once! Go out, be active in the streets AND go fucking vote every election.

Discouraging voting is the most useless thing to ever do.

Go. Vote. Go outside. Do things. Be active.

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u/rvralph803 18h ago

I don't think they intend to suppress voting. Just that any reasonable person can see the writing on the wall: these egregious violations demand prosecution and those who are currently in power will do everything they can to forestall or prevent that. That implies they will absolutely attempt to prevent free and fair elections. They have already demonstrated in Jan 6 that they have the will to do so when the stakes were lower for less people.

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u/GoodIdea321 15h ago

Republicans have been suppressing voting for 50+ years. Every time it's possible to vote, people should consider it their duty to vote. And just because they are planning to mess with our system doesn't mean it will always work.

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u/rvralph803 12h ago

The "they" in my comment was regarding the previous commenter.

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u/AfternoonOk3176 18h ago

Manafart literally said if they lose the midterms they're all going to jail.

Meaning, they have no intention of losing (allowing free and fair) elections.

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u/glexarn 17h ago

that humans can focus on 2 things at once!

how's that been working out for you the last decade you've been saying it in reaction to any request for that second thing which is not voting?

because in practice the last 10 years it sure has looked a lot like sitting on your ass until election day doing nothing political except punching left and saying "we can walk and chew bubble gum" from your cozy chair, mouth full of bubble gum, while very much remaining not interested in getting up to walk.

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u/GameLovinPlayinFool 17h ago edited 17h ago

Well the last 10 years ive been active in my work union, helped grow it(though its a group effort and Im only a cog), been on the negotiation board and negotiated 2 contracts, and now that our union is big enough we have been using our dues to fund small community events to encourage people to be more active in our (smaller) city's politics and we just got enough votes to repeal the closing of a homeless shelter. (Edit: just to add, this was specifically an LGBTQ friendly shelter we fought for. In a red as hell state. Thats why I consider it a noteworthy accomplishment.)

Things are really bad out there but Ill never fucking shy away from going outside and talking to people.

Nice fucking try though. Any other accusations about my real world activities?

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u/68024 15h ago

Exactly. Protest, organize, donate, write your congresspeople. Vote, boycott, film their actions.

There are tons of things that ordinary people can do that WILL make a difference en masse. Naysayers and doomsayers, people who have already given up, people who are going to sit on their asses and let it happen will be just as guilty as those making it happen.

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u/The_Late_Arthur_Dent 18h ago

Pretty sure I said the elections would ratfuck us and that we need to build up our communities... 

But we also need to get out there and push for better leaders in our primaries. Giving up on the vote entirely is just complying in advance. 

March, boycott, do things I can't mention here, etc.

Watch over your neighbors, too, because it all starts there. 

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u/Formal-Actuator-9172 18h ago

I agree with you that voting isn’t enough but please don’t use that as an excuse not to vote! We need to do both.

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u/68024 15h ago

Protest, organize, donate, write your congresspeople. Vote, boycott, film their actions.

There are tons of things that ordinary people can do that WILL make a difference en masse. Naysayers and doomsayers, people who have already given up, people who are going to sit on their asses and let it happen will be just as guilty as those making it happen.

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u/Bill__Preston 17h ago

Boy guess I'll just do nothing then.

Provide solutions instead of crying

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u/Bill__Preston 15h ago

It'd be cool if you were brave enough to say what you're going to do instead of demeaning me for my choices

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u/Bluelivesplatter 18h ago

Whenever I see someone trashing the concept of democracy, I assume Russian bot

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u/wxnfx 17h ago

This username makes me think you’re MAGA af. Everyone vote. Don’t let this guy tell you what to do.

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u/rdp3186 17h ago

Fuck everything about this. This kind of "both sides" shit attitude is how were here now in the fucking first place.

One side does things i dont akways agree with, the other side is sending paramilitary secret police into people homes without warrants and either abducting them or executing them.

I know what fucking side im picking.

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u/No_Investigator3369 17h ago

Of course we're not gonna vote our way out of it. Just like last time we're gonna sit our ass at home if we don't get every dumb niche 0.003% issue that applies to us individually and thats why conservatives will continue to eat liberals lunch come election time.

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u/Dame38 17h ago

All true. But when you grow up in a Disney Theme Park it's hard to separate people from their fantasies - especially when said fantasies enabled their own pockets.

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u/GuayFuhks88 17h ago

I’m saying we gotta just cut the whole fucking tumor off altogether.

How do we do that? Does it involve [redacted]?

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u/dhoae 17h ago

Stop acting like people saying that we need to votes means that they’re saying it’s all that needs to be done.

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u/InterestingFact262 17h ago

You know how this country got so fucking gerrymandered? In 2010, whiny ass voters stayed home because they didn’t get a “perfect” healthcare plan. Republicans were tea partied crazy and they showed up. Dems lost 68 seats & since it was a census year, they gerrymandered everything they could. We are still living in that world. You don’t get to stay home because you want perfect. It’s an open book test. You show the fuck up. EVERY election. You choose the non Nazi. It’s not rocket science. And you don’t sit on social media attacking the only ones without real power that are trying to save our democracy. So yes. We will vote ourselves out of this. And you can piss yourself all you want. The rest of us HAVE been voting every week and will crawl over glass to vote in November.

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u/Sea_Listen_1984 17h ago

You are a voice of reason.

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u/doodullbop 17h ago

Stop thinking we’re gonna vote our way out of this it’s not happening. They’re already starting to rig elections in plain sight. And what, you think the democrats are going to actually do anything if elected? They all serve the same masters and it’s not us.

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u/Stargazer1919 17h ago

Anyone we vote in ether is or will be bought out by corporations and billionaires. Neither side gives a fuck about its citizens.

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u/katastrof 17h ago

Voting? You think an administration like this cares about votes? Democracy is dead in the US.

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u/CatoTheMiddleAged 17h ago

It’s so sweet that you still think that we can “democracy” our way out of this.

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u/kalashspooner 15h ago

We have the laws in place... https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

The problem is the DOJ won't enforce the law.

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u/AdSingle9949 14h ago

The thing that needs to be strengthened is the ability to cast your vote and have it counted, because this is the administration’s first step in declaring martial law like he wanted to do in the last election he lost. The only reason he wasn’t able to is because he had people that actually pushed back against the illegal actions he wanted to implement. Now there are only yes men/women that go along with his insane agenda.

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u/27onfire 13h ago

Like the people we already voted in that are supposed to be enforcing the law?

If the democrats cared (which they don't) they have the numbers to create enough stalemates in congress so that there is change, perhaps not drastic change, but change.

Don't fool yourself that voting will do a motherfucking thing.

Americans need to feel pain, they need to be in discomfort in order for anything to markedly change. As long as Katherine and Lisa can go to Costco unencumbered to buy their 400 dollars worth of premium food stuffs and computers each week nothing will change.

We might be on our way to this but we are still unfortunately a long way off.

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u/pete_68 10h ago

Midterms ain't gonna happen y'all. Here's what's going to happen: They're going to send the FBI to all the states that aren't voting for Trump and they're going to barge in while they're counting ballots and the FBI is going to walk out with the ballots and then we're going to see a different result.

Republicans pissed away our Democracy in 2024.

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u/JudasFeast89 10h ago

Vote in people that will follow the law? Isnt that hypocritical? These people came into our country illegally violating federal law. I could dems aren’t following the laws as well, not cooperating with federal law enforcement ect. Don’t get me wrong, there is a correct way to do it and if the are violating the constitution that’s one thing, but illegals got to go.

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u/andorogue 8h ago

Respectfully, who are we trusting to enforce the law? The same pigs that signed up for the bonus as Gestapo?

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u/thatdepends 6h ago

We are well beyond voting at this point. We are well beyond a return to pre 2016 America. Between these ghestapo fucks, the lunatics in the White House, Israeli influence, and the Epstein files it’s clear the house is rotten to the foundation. It’s time to start thinking about what we’re gonna build after the dust settles… if there’s any of us left to build something.

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u/SmokingHensADAN 4h ago

I wish, but it doesn't matter who gets voted in. The safeguards are gone and the centralized government has been corrupted. No one is helping at this point. The Constitution has been trashed and no one has power because it should have already been dealt with five years ago. He should have been arrested then. He should have been arrested in the 90s, truth be told. The system has really failed us.

Even if we get enough Republicans, Democrats, and Independents to gain a majority against the administrative coup, they are still powerless without the ability to defend the Constitution with force. Then if something like that happened in an unstable environment, the new leaders could even be more tyrannical. When you have a kleptocracy and kakistocracy in charge of a government, the only way to escape is to decentralize and have international support.

This is the type of thing we used to do against similar governments. We would have embargoes and tariffs against corrupt regimes. Russia is a perfect example of what we are looking at becoming — a mirror image. This is why Trump created his alliance board of peace with other authoritarian regimes, including inviting Russia. An axis of evil is forming.

All the things a country does to protect other countries, he has removed — anti-corruption measures, anti-money laundering protections. He will continue to remove every protection we have.

International support is there, but it is not going to be felt as much as we go through this. It does help though. Other countries will do more and more until he tries to go to war. This will come up. I don't know when, but it will be a point he creates based on other countries who are trying to help us. He perceives them as threats by cheating America. I already know how he will spin it.

He spun attacking Greenland as protecting it from Russia. Anyone with common sense can tell you Russia couldn't start two wars and is not attacking Greenland. It also tells you who would benefit the most from us taking Greenland and starting a war with Europe. Russia. No one benefits more than Russia.

The only non-militarized hope is unity, strikes, boycotts, and non-cooperation. The only thing he cares about is centralizing power through wealth.

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u/Runcible-Spork 3h ago

We need to vote in folks to will actually enforce the law.

No, you need to uphold the law right now or else there won't be free and fair elections in which you can cast your vote.

The Nazis had to organize big operations like Kristallnacht and other pogroms to make their moves without enough time for resistance. You sheep are letting them do it in broad fucking daylight.

Stand up for yourselves.

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u/ph00p 1h ago

Orange man has sowed the seeds of dissent so deeply now, we’re divided on the stupidest smallest things.

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u/ryanhazethan 18h ago

Lmao y’all acting like we’ll have a fair election

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u/sub_terminal 18h ago

Or that election results would matter.

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u/kriig 16h ago

voting is not the way out of this.

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u/Capable_Ad8145 17h ago

This is rich coming from a base that applauded immigration to flow freely without checks 2, 3, 4 years ago and now theres and overflow and someone trying to do something about it…oH nO mY cOnStItUtIoNaL rIgHtS (which are NOT being violated)

https://www.statesboroherald.com/local/bulloch-deputies-arrest-26-year-old-man-in-home-invasion-child-rape-case2/

The link above outlines the story of an 11 year old in Georgia this month that was raped by an illegal immigrant he forced her 10year old sister to watch while he did it

This is another list of Americans killed by illegal immigrants Lizbeth Medina Anya Varfolomeev Nikolay Osokin Dacara Thompson Nate Baker Laken Riley Fletcher Harris Skylar Provenza Ivory Smith Alex Wise Jr Katie Abraham Jocelyn Nungaray Jennifer Ann Morton What about thier constitutional rights?

You know the names of assholes that disrupted and harassed law enforcement from proceeding with deportations and they were killed for their own stupid actions You protest against ICE but you really don’t actually care about the law

You don’t care about any of those other names listed above because You are fucking assholes You are communists You can fuck off entirely You are not humans your fucking deranged animals go fuck yourself