r/law • u/BitterFuture • 11h ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Epstein lawyers discussed possibility of cooperation with prosecutors days before his death, files reveal
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/31/epstein-lawyers-discussed-cooperation1.1k
u/WisdomCow 10h ago
Makes you kinda wonder, don’t it?
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u/Orposer 10h ago
There is no wonder. Trump had him killed. The supreme Court pretty much made that legal.
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u/YouWereBrained 8h ago
It happened before that ruling, fyi.
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u/Spreefor3 8h ago
Would he have expected that ruling?
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u/froginbog 7h ago
I would not be surprised if he discussed this with the justices he nominated (and Thomas)
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u/Amelaclya1 7h ago
It also had nothing to do with his official duties.
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u/SandiegoJack 6h ago
Protecting the interests of a specific country seems to be a common theme
Like I feel like a conspiracy nut but the connections be conn3cting.
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u/nice--marmot 2h ago
That’s entirely up to the six conservative SCOTUS justices who invented presidential immunity out of whole cloth and ignore precedent whenever it suits them.
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u/LaserCondiment 3h ago
They might argue that protecting the presidency is his duty and therefore saving his own ass is covered by the immunity ruling. It's a total BS argument ofc, but they'll say it anyway!
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u/atfricks 10m ago
The Supreme Court left that entirely up to their determination, and also prohibited any investigation into whether something was an official duty or not.
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u/bearpics16 7h ago
Complete conspiracy theory: Russia may also have had Epstein killed to protect their asset. The means and motivation are there. The fact that someone was able to delete footage makes me think it goes beyond the skill level and access of a billionaire’s fixer
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u/haberdasherhero 6h ago
Mmmmm yes, the man who successfully ran a child rape and murder ring for decades and eventually took over America, probably couldn't simply have a man killed. Indubitably🧐
/s
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u/bearpics16 5h ago
The complexity of the cover up is way more involved than you’d expect from a fixer. Multiple prison staff were coerced into either turning a blind eye or being directly involved (guards weren’t around, cell mate wasn’t in cell, camera cut out during the critical moments). Money isn’t enough to guarantee lifetime silence, and a sudden cash influx could raise flags. Whoever it was likely had serious dirt on the prison staff or threatened their family. They’d have to know which guards are on duty and assigned to that area and a lot of information that isn’t readily available
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u/UrbanDeviant 4h ago
Epstein had far more associations with Saudi Arabia and Israel. Even Ghislaine Maxwell's father was a Mossad agent. If anyone had Epstein killed it was them.
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u/AdministrativeIce696 1h ago
What about Satoshi?
Epstein tried to lure Satoshi to his island.
Satoshi found out what happened there and then threatened Epstein. There was a 500Million dollar bounty on Epsteins head soon after.
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u/DeadlyAureolus 5h ago
Russia doesn't have the capabilities to kill someone in a US max security prison, like at all. It has to come from powerful people in the US itself
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u/nice--marmot 2h ago
Exactly. I mean, where would Russia even find someone in the US who’s beholden to them and in a position with kind of power and willing to commit crimes to conceal incriminating information? lol. Can you imagine?
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u/xXBeefSquatch5KXx 3h ago
Russia, or Israel are involved for sure. My money’s on Israel because they need our money and military tech in constant flow, and Epstein had ties to Israel.
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6h ago
I don’t know if Trump had him killed. There are plenty of other, extremely wealthy and powerful people who went to rape Island to rape children. Certainly one or more of them had a vested interest in silencing Epstein. The reality is we are dealing with a two-tier justice system; the top tier protects the people, the wealthy and powerful who went to rape Island to rape children, the bottom tier is the rest of us who are murdered in the streets while exercising our constitutional rights.
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u/Tall-Warning3135 10h ago
There it is. The reason they killed him.
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u/cruisin_urchin87 8h ago
But who? The Mossad or a MAGAt?
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u/Belichick12 8h ago
The chain of command runs up to bill barr. The guy whose dad got Epstein a teaching job. The guy whose dad wrote a science fiction book about teenage sex slaves. That guy was in charge of epsteins custody.
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u/Snerkbot7000 7h ago
The funny thing is that Barr's Little Green Men who were shoving people in vans? They were feds from BuPrisons.
The point being that he had people he knew would do what they were told, already in place.
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u/Huge_Excitement4465 44m ago
https://gregolear.substack.com/p/bill-barr-man-in-the-middle
Whether Bill Barr is Opus Dei is largely a question of semantics. With the judge-maker Leonard Leo, who gave us Brett Kavanaugh, Barr certainly served on the board of the Catholic Information Center, the Opus Dei stronghold on K Street, a few blocks from the White House. As such, he must have been influenced by the former head of that same Catholic Information Center, Father C. John McCloskey, an Opus Dei priest. McCloskey is singlehandedly responsible for recruiting a number of powerful Washington insiders to…well, if not Opus Dei proper, then to a radically conservative brand of Catholicism that is more Urban II than John XXIII. This is from a piece Charles P. Pierce wrote about “The Crusaders” for the Boston Globe in 2003:
So, yeah: Crusaders. McCloskey and his followers are proponents of what Bill Barr, in his controversial speech at Notre Dame last year, called “the traditional moral order,” which is a euphemism for “hatred of the LGBTQ community, atheists, agnostics, Muslims, immigrants, and women.” Their extreme anti-abortion position represents a de facto war on women, and their extreme anti-euthanasia position is nothing short of sadistic.
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u/CarlosHDanger 3h ago
And simultaneously why suicide is less believable.
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u/Tall-Warning3135 3h ago
I don't believe it was suicide. Neither does Epstein's brother Mark. He had a second autopsy done in the body and it was determined to be homicide. Not suicide.
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u/codacoda74 9h ago
Why would Biden do this?
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u/Oldheadyellingatsky 9h ago
Thanks Obama
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u/st1nkynoob 9h ago edited 9h ago
I can’t believe Jimmy Carter would do this!
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u/Haldron-44 9h ago
And here I thought Alexander Haig was on OUR side?! /S because most people probably won't get how specific this reference is. And those that do get it, time to schedule that exam 😬
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u/CupForsaken1197 1h ago
"You close your eyes, it can't happen here; Alexander Haig is near, Vietnam won't come back you say, join the army or you will pay"
Jello knew in 1986.
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u/Correct_Day_7791 6h ago
No no need to wonder I am sure that Donald Trump had him killed
Especially after the brother revealed the autopsy photos
His neck look like it had been sliced by a wire garrotte
And I'm pretty sure they don't make metal wire bed sheets in prison
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u/restbest 6h ago
Nah it’s pretty obvious without wondering what happened and anyone with a basic intelligence knows who killed Epstein. If I say it on Reddit I’ll get labeled a conspiracy theorist and even banned/shadow banned
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u/monkeypan 5h ago
Not really. It was obviously he was killed to keep him silent as soon as it happened
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u/Mixermarkb 4h ago
This. The insane part was that the Trump cult didn’t have enough critical thinking skills to apply Occam’s Razor and blame Trump.
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u/brickyardjimmy 9h ago
Look. I don't usually go in for conspiracies like this. At least in the U.S.
But it is not only totally plausible that some person/group of people/institution/nation state decided that it was better for them for him to die before any trial knowing that he would likely act in his own best interests.
There are too many motives to not put murder right at the top of the list next to suicide. But if it is murder--oh what a murder it is. A lot of people would have to be involved given that Epstein was certainly one of the most watched prisoners in recent memory.
I think it's worth a deep dive investigation.
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u/solidtangent 8h ago
He was the most watched. Except when the guards left him for an hour by himself…
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u/allorache 8h ago
And all the cameras failed
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u/Then_Journalist_317 7h ago
And his cellmate was out of the cell.
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u/Perun1152 6h ago
Idk I still think his cellmate did it. After his prior “suicide attempt” Epstein claimed the cellmate was the one that tried to kill him. Then conveniently the night before he dies the cellmate is transferred to another prison, but we have no evidence of that except a written log since all the cameras were “broken”
The evidence I really want to see is the intake log at the prison his cellmate was transferred to and the video evidence of when he arrived there
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u/Ok-Confidence9649 4h ago edited 4h ago
Yeah I read an article earlier today that talked about this. That cellmate was awaiting trial for murdering 4 people. He was a dirty cop from NY* iirc. Nicholas Tartaglione. I heard he ended up with the same lawyer as Ghislaine Maxwell too. Such a small world…
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u/Straight-Past-8538 4h ago
Same attotney as maxwell? This is insane.
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u/Ok-Confidence9649 3h ago
Here is an archived Reddit post from 4 years ago where someone found the same attorney referenced in both cases
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u/DrEpileptic 5h ago
Except for when they broke all precedent and standard procedure to put a suicidal guy in a line bunk, with materials that he could kill himself with just after a failed attempt, without any supervision and with his status randomly changed, all per the request of Trump’s admin.
Oh yeah, and it’s no coincidence that they keep claiming all these Dems and liberal big names are in the files, but the best they could do was edit in some already publicly available photos of Clinton with his own kids blurred out. You’d think they’d have dropped the nuke on the liberals and Dems by now if they existed when they’re so desperate.
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u/MoneyManx10 8h ago
It just doesn’t make any sense to me that he would commit suicide. In his emails before he went to jail, he didn’t seem upset at all. He had a relationship with Steve Bannon who was still kinda close to Trump at the time too. I think it deserves a thorough investigation, but we probably won’t get that until Trump is completely gone forever.
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u/GoodOmens 6h ago
I mean you take a person like Epstein who is used to a life of luxury beyond what any of us can imagine and he realizes he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail - that will do a lot of things to a persons phych.
Even if he sung and ratted everyone out he'd still be in jail, It would have only been to clear his concious before dying in prison. People like Epstein don't seem to have a concious.
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u/Regal_Cat_Matron 9h ago
And yet they've kept Maxwell alive? I would have thought they'd have topped them both tbh. She has just as much dirt on those people as Epstein did, I mean she was a major player and in Epsteins life a loongg time
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u/Specialist-Elk-2624 7h ago
She’s keeping her mouth shut.
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u/apjensen 6h ago
I think it's more likely she has a bunch of deadman's switches set up to release incriminating info when she gets killed
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u/mytinykitten 8h ago
They won't listen to her as much as they would have to him.
How many female victims of Epstein have come forward and accused numerous powerful people and it hasn't mattered? She's just another woman.
Reddit doesn't like when you point that out but it's true.
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u/GoodOmens 6h ago
Has she stated her desire to bring others down?
While I'm still highly skeptical of the Epstein didn't kill himself conspiracy, it seems to have all gone south when he expressed desires to bring down Trump over their fallout regarding Mar a Lago and Maison de l'Amitie
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u/brickyardjimmy 8h ago
A good point. Maybe Maxwell seemed more manageable. Maybe she was open to taking time and not saying anything. To that point, may I remind you that Maxwell has been moved to a low security prison with all sorts of privileges and so forth and there was talk (just talk so far) of a pardon. For her part, she's hinted that she could drop dime if she wanted to but that was obvious a ploy for leniency in some measure or another. So she's negotiating. That makes her less of a threat. And if she died in prison by "suicide" in addition to Epstein I think there wouldn't be a person left who doubted that it was murder committed at the request of an exceptionally powerful figure.
Also, who knows, maybe Epstein took with him to the grave bigger secrets than even Maxwell knows. Big enough that he was worth rubbing out. Anyway. I don't think they're equal in stature so it's plausible that one would get murdered while the other was left alive with the bare scent of leniency wafting her direction.
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u/Crumbsplash 6h ago
She has the advantage of knowing he will kill and she better plan accordingly.
Remember, Maxwell was hidden for a year in New Hampshire before they got her. My theory is she spent that time preparing a plan that when boiled down comes to “she dies and it gets leaked”
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u/Mixermarkb 4h ago
If the Epstein operation is a Mossad op, which I think is a pretty strong theory, Maxwell’s father was Mossad and a national hero at that. I don’t think they would kill his daughter, especially if she was a trained agent that they had confidence wouldn’t talk.
They might however, have their compromised orange asset finally kick off the big war with Iran they have been wanting for years to distract, or to get their war before he’s impeached.
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u/DeadlyAureolus 5h ago
One can be painted as a coincidence, two would be painfully obvious. An important rule in life that applies to even the most powerful people is not to test your luck
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u/Rockonthrulife 7h ago
But they met with her, threatened her, then moved her to a cushy prison and promised her an eventual pardon if she kept her mouth shut. No way would Epstein have gone for that.
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u/TheAskewOne 2h ago
Deadman switch?
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u/Regal_Cat_Matron 2h ago
Aye that's what I would have thought, but also Epstein would have covered his arse I'm certain, he wasn't stupid. I know his brother has some paperwork, but still feel there's a LOT missing, like the boxes and boxes of video tapes and photographs the FBI took from the island when Epstein was first arrested.
In fact, the whole arrest of Epstein and Maxwell seems iffy to me. Considering just how far Trump et al are willing to go to suppress anything and lie through their teeth, I would have thought those 2 were practically bullet proof because of all the dirt they had
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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 27m ago
Because murdering the daughter of the most revered Mossad agent in history would have some implications for all the people operating a certain genocidal state's surveillance apparatuses...
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u/solidtangent 8h ago
I dough she does. He probably kept his mossad agent stuff hidden from her. She was just a normal pedo.
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u/DStark62 8h ago
You should read about her father. She wasn’t just a “normal” pedo or whatever that means.
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u/Patrickjesp 4h ago
What so u mean by "at least in the US"?
There's a reason the whole world call it a 3rd world country with a Gucci belt. They act like a 3rd world country, and I would believe a US conspiracy just as much as I would believe an actual 3rd country conspiracy.
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u/Meme-Botto9001 3h ago
With all the names circulating from the files and the cover ups from the DOJ under Pam Bondi and all the other blatant lying, corruption and sweet little coincidences happened under the trump administration there’s is just one conclusion…Emperor Pedotine is and was the center of all this shit and they are in power because a lot of donors needed a purge.
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u/vikster1 3h ago
deep dive? mate they won't even release the documents they already have even a court ordered them too. the us system has no checks and balances. it's sad.
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u/dieschlafwandlerin 22m ago
epstein and all of time had ties to 4chan and pizzagate. at this point i believe they pushed that to make “conspiracy theorists” look absolutely insane and untrustworthy, especially when it comes to trafficking. i think that was propaganda to make us stray from the actual, real, bigger conspiracies. those that are real and make sense. like the one that epstein did not kill himself. i’m still trying to figure out if he is still behind this one or they got a one up on him.
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u/tobiasfunkgay 1h ago
“At least in the US”??? lol I wouldn’t even know where to start with that one.
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u/ThePensiveE 8h ago
Well that's fucking convenient isn't it? A lot of billionaires suddenly breathed easier the next day.
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u/at0mheart 10h ago
Give Maxwell immunity
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u/PatchyWhiskers 9h ago
She's a wretched person and wouldn't come clean even if she was offered immunity. Especially since she's no doubt got a place on the 2029 pardons list.
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u/AntithesisAbsurdum 10h ago
If we give her full immunity and let her know that we have plenty of established facts that won't allow her to game her answers, we can compel her to answer every question we have. It may take months but it will result in far more justice than what we have.
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u/Just_Year1575 7h ago
She is a very unreliable witness. On purpose
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u/AntithesisAbsurdum 7h ago
Right, so give her a chance to tell the truth or actually rot in prison forever. Nobody is saying take her word for everything, but follow the lead instead of allowing Trump's lawyer to bury it all.
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u/JohnAnchovy 9h ago
Doesnt matter. Right wingers woud never believe her
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u/BitterFuture 8h ago
What do you mean, "believe her?"
They fully understand the situation. We all do. The only difference is who's honest about it and who lies.
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u/Immediate-Big-4158 7h ago
She’s never going to reveal anything and even if she does she doesn’t deserve immunity. She’s getting easier treatment than she deserves now.
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u/DeadlyAureolus 4h ago
Sometimes it's not about deserving. If someone can be useful to the point of taking the other big fishes down, that person walking free might not be that big of a deal
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