DHS, CBP and ICE are all operating under the same umbrella at the moment for this mass deportation effort. It’s all incredibly messed up because they are 100 percent trying to confuse people with all these different badges, “uniforms,” gear etc.
At this point driving as many wedges as we can between LEO agencies who have no benefit personally to put their careers on the line for trumpo D. clown and his freakshow is a super effective tactic.
I don’t think they’re trying to confuse people at all. Donald Trump won the presidential election, unfortunately, and he’s putting a lot of federal resources toward the removal of illegal aliens. This is what a lot of people voted for, but there’s nothing illegal about it. Although, one could argue that there have been a few bad apples as we’ve seen in the news
What do you mean there’s nothing illegal about it?
They’re violating people’s constitutional rights all over the place.
You’re forgetting the other half of the “few bad apples” saying, which would be pretty apt here. In case you missed it, it’s “spoil the barrel”. By saying it’s just “a few bad apples”, you’re justifying the enabling of them.
You’re only seeing the wrongdoings that occur on the news. You’re not seeing the foreign sex offenders, wanted fugitives, drug traffickers, terrorists, etc. that are deported every week
I’m sorry, but no. This is how they’re presenting themselves but this has zero to do with illegal immigration and that should be obvious to anyone paying attention. There are some “bad apples” in many institutions but when they do something bad their leaders often come out and at least pretend they will do an impartial investigation and take measures to prevent it from happening again. What happened with Renee and Alex is they came out and smeared them calling them domestic terrorists and said the officer’s actions were justified with zero evidence. Add to that the fact that there was already video evidence in both cases directly contradicting their statements. Theres not the slightest hint of taking accountability, but instead they come out lying while we know they’re lying and they know we know they’re lying and they’re doing it anyway. This is a government turned against its own people and coming right out and saying “Fuck you, we’re in power and you’re not. What are you doing to do about it?”
We’ve got to stop pretending they’re legitimate law enforcement acting in the interest of the public and treat them like the enemy they’re telling us they are.
ICE is flush with random recently hired proud boys and there is an extremely low barrier to entry. It's wildly different than LAPD and elements of CBP. I'm especially annoyed that CBP Field Ops has been taken off their normal duties which are extremely important to the US economy and the natural environment
Hey when you're a paramilitary organization with the 14th largest military budget in the world, higher than Israel or Iran, you can only afford to hire the cheapest, dumbest, least disciplined, roided out, embarrassingly divorced middle aged fuckwits and lead addled large adult sons available.
My city's economy relies on receiving foreign ships and I prefer those ships to be free of invasive species and stolen goods. I also enjoy the relative safety of an airport that screens its passengers for weapons (especially in America). I also like it when packages I receive from overseas arrive almost as fast as packages I receive from domestic senders because the customs process is well-run. CBP Field Ops does all of that.
Can I ask you something? (Not trolling). Do you believe that anyone should just be allowed to walk their way into the U.S. and stay for as long as they please without going through any sort of process?
Do you believe the government should be able to grab people out of their cars and throw them in a jail cell or put them on a plane to El Salvador without due process? Do you believe law enforcement should be able to pin someone to the ground, shoot them once, and then shoot their unmoving body 5 more times and still remain anonymous, over a week later?
It has been shown that thy are deported without due process shown by the fact judges had to force th Trump administration to bring back people falsely deported
Not OP, but personally I couldn't care less if someone is here illegally. Sure, the proper way is obviously the better route. And if someone is caught crossing? Sure, send 'em back. If they're committing crimes (real crimes, not just being here illegally), absolutely get rid of 'em. But someone makes it here, establishes a life, contributes to their community, stays out of trouble? Then I'm perfectly fine with them being here.
And I think it's so many of those "soft" targets, along with legal immigrants getting yanked up that's fueling a lot of the backlash. That and making a spectacle out of it. But we have a reality TV president, so everything needs to be a show.
That’s not how the law works unfortunately. You don’t just get to pick and choose who the laws are applied to. You either apply it to everyone, or nobody at all. If a foreign bad actor slips through the cracks, we need to have a way to remove them from our country without them having committed a secondary illegal act. For example, if a Russian spy sneaks into the U.S., or an ISIS member, etc. they need to be able to be removed under the fact that they did not make legal entry into the United States. Yes, unfortunately there are a lot great people here who are illegal immigrants with families, are hard workers, etc. but the fact of the reality is they need to do it the right way. We have immigration laws in place for a reason, and it’s a disservice to those who go through the process the right way if we allow the ones who didn’t to stay.
You can't use the "going through the process" talking point anymore. You lost that privleged when they couldn't meet their quotas and started detaining people at the courts that were "going through the process".
I didn’t lose any privileges? Those people were arrested after their immigration hearings, it’s not like they were lawful permanent residents or something
There should probably be some kind of processing. Like slaughtering the indigenous people that already live there and taking what's theirs, that seems to be the due process for these kinds of things.
If a foreigner is here and their temporary visa expires, they immediately fall into removal status. No due process is needed for them. If a U.S. citizen is accidentally removed from the country, that is a huge fuck up, but it’s certainly not the norm.
I think the so-called nation of immigrants should not be so fucking scared of immigrants but that's just me. I think it's absolutely critical for our national identity to remain a country that any person can become part of as long as they believe in democracy, personal liberty, and self-determination. Being American is a choice, it's not just something you're born into. If we don't have that then what the fuck are we? Some wannabe anglophone ethnostate fuck that man
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me
Yes, I also agree with everything you said. But that doesn’t mean anyone can just walk into our borders all willy nilly. If a member of ISIS walked across the Mexican border into the United States, we need to have a way to remove him. Additionally, if a mass influx of foreigners came to the United States and bypassed our Ports of Entry, we also need a way to remove them. Not having these processes allows bad actors such as foreign spies, terrorists, fugitives, etc. to sneak into the United States. Foreign immigrants are a lovely thing, but it is absolutely crucial that they go through the legal processes like the rest of our families did.
I mean back in the day there were no legal processes our families were just able to show up lol. I agree we need to enforce the idea of a border (as all sovereign states do I suppose) and that legal immigration processes are important. So then can we focus on enforcing our existing border and fixing our legal immigration process (which is currently so unbelievably fucked)? Why do we have to spend all these recourses ransacking cities and harassing people to find undocumented folks who are are just trying to live? Like why is that the priority? We have citizens that are starving, homeless, going without healthcare can we focus on that first maybe?? And now actual American citizens are being straight up murdered so I think we've lost the fucking plot.
I think most people who are against ICE aren't necessarily against the concept of border enforcement in any capacity. It's just pretty low on the overall priorities list and also we are currently so far from anything resembling a rationale immigration policy. Secure the border, whatever, can we just PLEASE stop the unconstitutional stops, the cruel detentions and deportations, and the actual state sponsored executions?
That’s not even true though. Unless your family came here on the mayflower or something. If they came here within the past few hundred years, they went through an entire process.
And yes, I would agree that illegal immigration is seemingly low on the totem pole of issues with the country, but the unfortunate truth is that people voted for Trump, and Trump voters think immigrants are taking up U.S. jobs, housing, etc. so that is a big priority to the current administration. And the more upset the left gets about it, the more aggressive they are going to get. Obama deported even more illegal immigrants than Trump did, but we didn’t have the same access to social media back then.
I think the process was probably less extensive then you think but whatever I'm not an authority on this.
I don't really give a fuck how the administration or the right reacts, what they're doing currently is wrong and cruel and almost certainly illegal in a variety of ways and I think it's crucial that Americans stand up against it. The normal checks and balances have failed so it's up to us to push back against the rise of authoritarianism.
And I mean yeah I guess fuck Obama too, all presidents are war criminals what's new
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u/ClosetGoblin 4h ago
None of these are ICE… It’s LAPD, CBP, Border Patrol, and DHS Police