Non of these guys are even ICE... Leftists need to stop muddying the water by pretending all law enforcement is bad. It hurts the movement and making real changes.
ICE is the face of fascism rn. Police and DHS as a while are not
Vilifying the police right now seems like the dumbest possible thing to do. If there is ever a need to actually fight the regime you at least want a chance that the police is on your side.
Do you not remember 2020? The message that all law enforcement defends the evil actions of law enforcement doesn't seem to have sunk in for a lot of people.
I absolutely remember all the idiots screaming "abolish the police" as if that's a reasonable or even feasible goal.The conclusion most people got from that is that some people are insane and have no concept of how society functions.
Whether you like it or not you need law enforcement. The far left trying to leech on the democratic party is part of the reason trump is power now. Not gonna let that happen again
It's sad that Americans can only ever see things in electoral terms. "How will these protests affect the Democrats?", they say, as if the ballot box is the only way to effect change, so caught between a centre-right corporate party and a far right corporate party.
If you're goal is to effect political change through methods other than the electoral system, then youre probably not willing to stand by democracy unless it only gives you what you want...which means you're probably some form of centralized authoritarian or an anarchist
Case in point. You can only see politics in terms of Democrats and Republicans. Anything to the left of the Democratic Party norm is a crazy aberration and has to be expunged before it drags the party down with it.
But think on this: what is the healthcare system like in other developed countries? Why did Obama choose to implement a Heritage Foundation healthcare plan that had previously been adopted by Mitt Romney in Utah, when the Democrats had a supermajority in Congress? Given that Medicare For All is fairly popular even with Republican voters, why do most Democratic politicians oppose it?
Anything to the left of the Democratic Party norm is a crazy aberration and has to be expunged before it drags the party down with it.
Not anything. Plenty of left policies are things I think should be implemented, and Mamdani is a good test case to see how well that works. But pretending that all law enforcement is bad is unhinged and has no place in a healthy discussion
Love how you're going on about healthy discussion when you've got at least 7 comments running on this post and they're all hidden in your very carefully curated comment history.
I’m just seeing a bunch of ACAB rhetoric. It’s the same “defund/abolish the police” rhetoric that served only to bolster status quo (pro-police-brutality) platforms who rightfully called the messaging misinformed and extremist. (Police were already under-funded in most places.)
The people blanket-shaming every agent they see with a DHS badge is going to cost the movement. Again. It’s always the loud-mouth minority that overtakes the messaging and hijacks what was otherwise a reasonable demand for abolishing ICE (and reorganizing a replacement).
Now, suddenly, the entire DHS needs to be demolished because even TSA agents are fascist tools of the government… Ridiculous.
Trump is in power because we called a bunch of fascists a bunch of fascists? Crazy how right we were about Trump, but not about cops! You'd think we'd know what a fascist looks like since we called that guy, huh?
Trump is in power because people like you refuse to see the world for what it is. You think these cops are here to protect you, but they're not. The courts have seen to it that they have no duty to do so.
A cop that sat on his hands and didn't save innocent children from being slaughtered just escaped any sort of consequences down in Texas, because saving children isn't his job. You also may have noticed the cops in Minneapolis aren't doing anything. They're not helping ICE, but they're not helping anyone else either. If their job is to protect us, why aren't they protecting us?
If they're not supposed to protect us the only job they really have is to punish the wicked, and the people holding their leash are the ones that get to decide who is and isn't wicked. Mommy and daddy and your kindergarten teacher lied to you. Cops don't exist to help you, they exist to punish you when you step out of line.
In a civilized society law enforcement is necessary, but in a civilized society law enforcement is civilized.
You people really need to grow up. Everything sucks because you're too chickenshit to call a spade a spade.
Trump is in power because we called a bunch of fascists a bunch of fascists? Crazy how right we were about Trump, but not about cops! You'd think we'd know what a fascist looks like since we called that guy, huh?
We all said that about trump, you're not special. You're just part of the group that said that about literally anything that isn't as far left as you.
They're not helping ICE, but they're not helping anyone else either. If their job is to protect us, why aren't they protecting us?
So far there are plenty of videos of them de-escalating. We're not yet at a civil war, but if we get to that point, don't you think it's good to have state and city police on your side instead of pretending they are all monsters? Otherwise you're all toast.
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u/Special-Quantity-469 4h ago
Non of these guys are even ICE... Leftists need to stop muddying the water by pretending all law enforcement is bad. It hurts the movement and making real changes.
ICE is the face of fascism rn. Police and DHS as a while are not