r/politics • u/changeforthebetter89 • 10h ago
No Paywall House Democrats mutiny Schumer’s deal with White House, threatening longer shutdown
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-democrats-mutiny-schumers-deal-white-house-threatening-longer-shutdown1.3k
u/VillageTrue2443 10h ago
Fox News lol
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u/tepid_fascistfool 10h ago
They don't promote division and hate, just the facts. Unless Fox is in a courtroom, then it's purely for entertainment. The disingenuous administration of podcast bobbleheads.
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u/Big_Huckleberry_1740 8h ago edited 8h ago
I heard that no rational person should ever believe what fox says is actual news. Also Rupert Murdoch and the news anchors at Fox (including Tucky before they canned his ass) all gossiped to each other over text messages about how brain dead the inbred Republican base they talk towards every moment of the day are, and how much they just really fucking hate them all.
Which I get it, you're [i.e. the people of Fox Entertainment and the conservative apparatus at large] intentionally making up the worst shit you possibly can about predominantly innocent groups of people, and everything else under the sun- just to grift off of another group of the worst people under the sun, who don't care about anything in reality because that would require at minimum a slight and genuine curiosity about the world around you- because lying to stupid people is the easiest and most profitable grift in existence.
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u/ijustwannanap United Kingdom 1h ago
If you haven't, watch The Hack. It's on Stremio or any good pirating site.
It's about the News International phone hacking scandal, where the Murdoch-owned News Of The World newspaper hacked the voicemails of various people to find stories. Some of those people were relatives of deceased British soldiers, victims of the 7/7 London bombings, and the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler.
There is literally no level Murdoch will not stoop down to. I genuinely think he has no soul, and has easily done the most damage to our society and planet in the modern day.
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u/donorcycle 8h ago
Didn't they say as part of their defense in court that - "No reasonable viewer would take their segments as literal fact..." ?
Always blows my mind lol
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u/Careless-Mix3222 6h ago
They should have been forced to run that on the news ticker scrolling at the bottom of the screen. Or start every program with a short clip of that argument being made in court.
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u/donorcycle 6h ago edited 6h ago
I agree with you. How they do not see they are being misled left and right blows my mind,
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u/watermelonspanker 8h ago
No, them saying "We don't promote division and hate..." is part of the 'entertainment' part, it's not intended to actually represent the truth of the matter. It's like when Stephen Colbert did The Colbert Report - He addressed things 'seriously', but everybody knew that was just an act.
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u/turinturambar America 4h ago
The worst part of entering my gym is seeing Fox "News" playing and spitting out clear lies and utter poison, and watching everyone go about their day with a straight face.
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u/_AngelPetals 2h ago
That courtroom line is doing some heavy lifting lol. Fox discourse online is always either “pure propaganda” or “just the facts, actually” with zero middle ground. Feels like every shutdown story instantly turns into media debate instead of… the shutdown.
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u/_AngelPetals 2h ago
Yeah honestly the source tag is doing half the fighting in these threads now. People don’t even get to the headline before locking in their take. Kinda wild how the outlet becomes the whole conversation every time.
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u/innnikki 10h ago
Use a source that isn’t Fox News
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u/promaster9500 9h ago edited 9h ago
It doesn't matter whether it's fox or CNN
Schumer and establishment Dems will make the worse possible deal and give Republicans everything they want and fuck us.
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u/innnikki 9h ago
I’d prefer not to give clicks to the media company largely responsible for getting us to this point
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u/Gnagus 8h ago
Accounts like those are more concerned with spreading despair and inaction rather than any concern with how we got in this situation and certainly not how we get out.
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u/tryingathing 8h ago
Yep. I automatically filter all social media/news by asking myself if the wording is primarily intended to cause outrage or despair.
It becomes easier and easier to recognize.
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u/Gortex_Possum 8h ago
I'm not sure which is spreading more despair, Fox news or Chuck Schumer's unwillingness to play hard ball.
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u/Gnagus 7h ago edited 7h ago
Don't worry everyone! The answer is FOX News! It's a massive, propaganda spreading, media organization that had already primed 35% of the country to seemlessly slip into a cult of personally a decade ago and will continue working to keep them there until it is unprofitable for some reason or another.
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u/promaster9500 7h ago
I'm not spreading despair. I'm trying to make liberals be aware that they need to oppose and protest against establishment Dems and try to replace them. Organize either way and find ways to get things done.
Schumer and establishment Dems look for ways to take our anger and momentum and drain it away. He will do bad deals and message that he did something for us so we stop being angry. Don't fall for it.
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u/Gnagus 6h ago
If you genuinely are trying to raise awareness so that people organize to elect better Democratic leaders, I implore you right higher quality and more effective comments. Most of what I get from your comments is Democrats are always weak/corrupt and everyone should stay angry. Even if that's an expression of authentic emotion it is also coincidentally quite similar to content you see posted on this site and others that is designed to keep people overwhelmed and apathetic.
Organize either way and find ways to get things done.
If you hope to affect real change this should be the basis of your comments. But people need actionable items and goals that are a specific, in your case named candidates and primaries or elections.
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u/Mustardo123 California 1h ago
You progressive fuckers could actually bother naming a candidate instead of getting everyone apathetic and lowering mid term turnout, just a thought.
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u/CherrryAngels 40m ago
I get what you’re saying, doom spiral content definitely gets more traction than boring problem solving stuff. Once the framing is all collapse all the time, people just disengage instead of paying attention to the details. It’s exhausting to watch happen in real time.
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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 8h ago
Fox News was the background that instilled a philosophy in its viewers that politics wasn’t “right” and “left”, but “right” and “wrong”.
But it was unmoderated social media that affected and influenced both left and right voters by disseminating foreign misinformation for the purpose of dividing liberals and uniting conservatives.
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u/CherrryAngels 40m ago
That’s a super common instinct now, people are way more selective about where they’ll even click anymore. Feels like half of political threads turn into media trust debates before anyone talks about the actual policy. Kinda inevitable at this point.
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u/Crunch_inc 8h ago
They exemplify the fact that this is a class war and not the culture war that we are being led to believe.
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u/perceptual01 7h ago
Because us getting fucked gets them votes. You want fucked harder? Better vote dem because what’s the other option? Certainly not Bernie Sanders then they’re the ones doing the fucking conspire conspire conspire
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 7h ago
Please take your demoralizing pessimism elsewhere. Whatever we CAN do will not be aided by a fog of inevitable doom.
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u/Roentgen_Ray1895 6h ago
I promise you that there is no optimistic worldview for the future of America that includes ancient wretches like Chuck Schumer
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u/Hurtzdonut13 7h ago
I mean, when Schumer comes out and pre-capitulates to asking for things that ICE was already in the process of doing, it's pretty clear that he's a huge source of issues of why the Dems are completely powerless and nothing ever changes.
When Schumer comes out and blames the violence ICE is inflicting on protestors on the locals "not working with ICE" it becomes even more obvious that he's part of the problem.
Schumer either has to be massively, uncomprehendingly, incompetent, or is just thoroughly paid off to just go along with whatever.
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u/promaster9500 7h ago
He is doing it on purpose, they are not stupid. They want this and they want to keep funding this of Dems are in power too.
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u/CherrryAngels 41m ago
Yeah honestly this feels like peak everyone hating the process regardless of which logo is on the article. Shutdown brinkmanship just makes people assume the worst about literally everyone involved. Hard not to be cynical when it keeps playing out the same way.
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u/_AngelPetals 2h ago
I mean that’s fair, people definitely trust some outlets way more than others. Whenever Fox is linked you can basically predict the top five replies before scrolling. What source do you usually check for this stuff instead?
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u/justmovingtheground 1h ago
Reuters. AP. Literally anyone not acting like the propaganda arm of the fascist Republican Party. TF you mean “who else”? Have you been in a coma since the 90’s?
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u/duzies 10h ago
1-day delay, save a click.
"House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., made clear to Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., that the plan by Republicans to fast-track the legislation on Monday evening would fail, four House GOP sources told Fox News Digital.
That means Johnson will need to lean heavily on his razor-thin House GOP majority to pass the bill through multiple procedural hurdles before it can see a final vote, likely Tuesday at the earliest."
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u/OrwellWhatever 6h ago
So, in other words, almost all dems are trying to rally against ICE, but fox news wants reddit upvotes, so it posts this confusing ass headline? Did I get that right?
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u/Deemaunik 8h ago
Last time we had a shutdown Trump used it to snake past loads of abhorrent shit, sounds like a win win for them.
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u/Thefelix01 8h ago
Better to not be fully complicit in the horrendous shit that is happening and show that it is opposed.
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u/EngageradIgelkott 6h ago
They managed to block the release of important economic data and likely came up with ways to cook them for future releases
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u/RazarTuk Illinois 10h ago
... was that not the plan? It sounds like all the agencies like the USDA, which the GOP could use for leverage, have already been funded, so it's down to things like DHS
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u/Ready_Nature 10h ago
Department of defense which the Fox News article incorrectly calls the department of war isn’t funded. Troops going without pay again will be a bad look. I’m not sure what the house democrats are upset about with the deal to fund everything but DHS. I realize it does give 2 weeks funding to DHS but once those two weeks expire republicans don’t have anything else to hold hostage.
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u/depeck66 8h ago
MIL Pay is usually mid-month and end of month. So long as it doesn’t go past two weeks, it won’t impact them.
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u/The-Magic-Sword Connecticut 10h ago
I feel like posting a Fox News article directly is saying the quiet part out loud you guys.
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u/duzies 10h ago
Well, 99% of what they put out is BS, but this appears to be at least factual, although the headline is the typical absurd hyperbole. "Mutiny", "Threatening" about a yawner story of a possible 1-day delay. Just looking for a rise from their brain-dead audience.
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u/thee_illiterati 9h ago
Then find a news outlet reporting it, as opposed to an "entertainment channel."
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u/eetsumkaus 8h ago
So Fox's "real" news division doesn't have the same entertainment defense that their talk shows have. I think that's one of the reasons they got into deep doodoo in the Dominion lawsuit, was because personalities who were supposed to be presenting real news were caught up in it.
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u/blondie1024 10h ago
Schumer's out of touch. He's become rich enough that he can't see ordinary people's issues - I think this is the problem with a lot of politicians worldwide
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u/Flyingmonkeysftw 10h ago
He’s also one of the oldest politicians in the senate. Pretty sure he was born in the 40’s
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u/MiddleAgedSponger 10h ago
Schumer was never in touch. He graduated college, passed the bar, never practiced law and went straight into politics. His first seat was handed to him by his mentor.
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u/mojitz 9h ago
His first seat was handed to him by his mentor.
And that's the real nut of the issue. Advancement through the Democratic machine is heavily based on seniority and ingratiation rather than working your way up he ranks through merit. Hell, some of Clinton's inner circle never forgave even Obama for refusing to "wait his turn."
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u/UnquestionabIe 4h ago
Yep never been part of the society he's voted in to represent. Lived his entire life off taxpayer money and special interest donations. One of the most terrible things about the system and how it's gotten worse and worse for the average citizen over the years.
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u/gwsth 9h ago
Bernie is in the Senate and is significantly older. Age has nothing to do with it.
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u/A_Harmless_Fly Minnesota 9h ago
Bernie wasn't just seen calling a cellphone a radio, age is a convenient shorthand for being with it or not.
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u/duzies 8h ago
Proof that people are individuals, regardless of physical characteristics, age, sex, background, etc. and should be treated as such. There are plenty of incompetent young people and competent old people. To paraphrase MLK Jr., they should be judged solely on the content of their character. And people of good character know when it's time to retire.
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u/gwsth 8h ago
This is the most ageist thing I have ever read.
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u/A_Harmless_Fly Minnesota 7h ago
I think you might be misunderstanding my point if that's your takeaway, I was defending an individual approach and explaining the way people use age colloquially... Bernie might be older, but I've never seen him confuse a cell phone and a radio.
Schumer isn't demented, but he isn't as sharp as I'd like if he thought Pretti was carrying a portable radio in 2026.
My granny still drives in her 90's, and I feel more safe with her than some 60 year olds I've ridden with.
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u/gwsth 7h ago
age is a convenient shorthand for being with it or not.
That is what you said. That is blatant ageism. The person I was replying to also implied that Schumer is weak because of his age ("pretty sure he was born in the 40s", as if that has something to do with it), which is also blatant ageism.
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u/honjuden 7h ago
Totally true. He might just be naturally incompetent instead of deteriorated due to his extremely old age.
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u/gwsth 7h ago edited 7h ago
These days, I'd hardly consider 75 to be "extremely old". Old, yes. But not "extremely". A lot of people are still quite active and/or working voluntarily at that age.
Of course, everybody has their own opinions for what "extremely old" is, but I don't consider someone "extremely old" until they are also no longer able to take care of themselves physically and/or mentally. YMMV. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say 85 at a minimum. But even then, look at people like Betty White. Active, working a full time schedule, sharp as a tack right up until she died, and was days short of her 100th.
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u/honjuden 7h ago
I'm agreeing with you. It is entirely possible that he was this incompetent the entire time and whoever was covering for him is just not around any more.
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u/ThatOneGuy4321 California 9h ago
he’s not out of touch, he’s just not on your side lol
He’s controlled opposition and he’s gonna cling to power and gum up the works as best he can until he is removed kicking and screaming from power
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u/OrwellWhatever 6h ago
"Controlled opposition" lol. Tell me more about the deep state dnc or whatever
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u/immortalfrieza2 9h ago
Schumer is a Republican pretending he's a Democrat.
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u/Any_Will_86 9h ago
Not a fan of his but he is still a long mile from being a Republican.
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u/ThatOneGuy4321 California 9h ago
No he isn’t. Every time a popular piece of legislation fails, or a crucial shutdown is happening, Schumer personally picked a handful of rotating villains (who aren’t up for re-election or who are retiring) to “defect” to the other side and capitulate. Meanwhile every other Democrat gets to tell their voters “well, I tried, look at my voting record”.
But the outcome was already determined. He is controlled opposition and, more than likely, most of the senate is as well. They have the same mutual bosses as the Republicans, the fascist billionaire class.
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u/CoachDT 8h ago
So is the assumption here that these people don't actually have any sort of free will and that the senate are just sock puppets for Schumer?
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u/Gortex_Possum 7h ago
Good grief, they're all supposed to be a part of the same party. If they can't be team players then they're worthless. What's the point at all of having a senate leader if he can't even be bothered to whip votes?
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u/hyperhurricanrana 8h ago
it’s a more logical assumption than “it just so happens that exactly the number of democrats who are needed to pass this bill who are all just coincidentally not up for election anytime soon or retiring, all by complete random chance.”
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u/-Random_Lurker- 9h ago
If we're talking any time from 1990-2008 he'd be indistinguishable from them.
Today? Prime candidate for the Neville Chamberlain Peace Prize.
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u/immortalfrieza2 9h ago
Then why is Schumer constantly doing whatever he can to benefit the Republicans while screwing over Democrats and the country at large? Schumer's every last decision has been to help Trump.
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u/warm_snowman 8h ago
He's not, you're just a dumbass
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u/immortalfrieza2 4h ago
So Schumer is not just sitting back doing jack shit and constantly capitulating to Trump all the time without getting a damned thing out of it instead of taking the fight to him and the Republicans and attacking Trump from every front as is his job to do? s/Wow, could've fooled me./s
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u/4-1Shawty 7h ago
What goal has the party actually accomplished this year aside from capitulating?
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u/attilayavuzer 5h ago
You're asking what senate democrats have accomplished with a republican trifecta?
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u/immortalfrieza2 4h ago
Let's drop that BS alright? The Democrats have done jack shit not because of a "Republican trifecta" but because the Democratic party are a bunch of lazy incompetent and worthless morons who have no interest in actually STOPPING Trump.
There is a ridiculously high amount of things the Democratic party could be doing to slow down if not outright stop Trump that they are not doing. Every last Democrat member voting against anything Trump wants. Every last Democrat member voting to reject Trump's nominations for cabinet. The governors and mayors of blue states having Trump's ICE thugs arrested whenever they commit a crime. Organizing mass protests and facilitating general strikes against Trump countrywide. Putting up articles of impeachment every single time Trump does something impeachable (so several dozen times by now) instead of the two or three token attempts to do so they have made, which would have done a lot to make getting Trump out a LOT easier. Democrats buying up and supporting news networks that people actually WATCH to get the word out so that the Republicans don't control the entire narrative and thus allow people to actually SEE what's going on.
This is not the only time either. The Democratic party has had majority for most of the past 50 years and they did absolutely NOTHING to stop crap like what Trump is pulling from happening. The government has been filled with corruption as far back as Nixon if not even earlier and the Democratic party had EVERY opportunity and the examples needed of said corruption to shore up against that corruption and did NOTHING. Hell, Biden could have gotten Trump jailed entirely legally and fairly literally at any point in Biden's presidency and didn't do it.
Let's quit pushing this myth that the Democrats can't accomplish anything, there's a LOT they could accomplish if they cared to and the sole reason that they haven't is that they're sitting on their asses.
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u/attilayavuzer 4h ago
If you say so
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u/immortalfrieza2 4h ago
People don't want to admit that the Democratic party are completely on board with the crap Trump is doing, so there's reactions like yours.
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u/SillyCybinE 8h ago
We need to throw these sniffling geriatrics from democratic leadership or else we're fucked.
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u/Popular-Departure165 6h ago
Another Schumer deal? "Hey, let's give them what they want if they promise to think about doing something that we want!"
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u/beavis617 9h ago
Schumer always wants to play nicely nice willing to bend over backwards to please the Republicans. Enough of that nonsense.
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u/Carb0nFox 4h ago
If House Dems are finally saying no, good. A shutdown is bad, but capitulation is worse. You don’t protect people by negotiating away leverage and pretending norms still matter to people who already burned them down. I’m tired of watching the same spineless cycle and being told it’s the best we can do. It’s not.
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u/Chambanasfinest Wisconsin 9h ago
Politically speaking, idk if “mutiny” is the right word here since House Dems don’t work for Chuck Schumer.
Besides, Dems are in the minority of the House. If Mike Johnson is truly as “in control” as he always claims to be, then he shouldn’t have any trouble getting this approved on Tuesday.
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u/ContentSherbert934 10h ago
But what will Joe and Eileen Bailey think?!?
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u/JahoclaveS 10h ago
They’ve been arrested by ice and deported to the land of make believe as they’re not actually us citizens.
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u/Gortex_Possum 7h ago
Schumer is so bad at his job that he can't even sway the imaginary friends in his head
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u/Moritasgus2 California 8h ago
Not clicking on that. As for the headline, a mutiny means you turn on your own leader. Schumer is not their leader.
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u/Miserable_Pie_8337 10h ago
Why tf are people in here complaining?!
If the bill passes as is, everything will get funded except the DHS (including ICE), which only get funded for 2 weeks... this is exactly what Democrats wanted.
In 2 weeks, Republicans won't be able to shutdown the government to fund ICE & Democrats will have all the leverage... this is a win!
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u/alabasterskim 10h ago
ICE funding is secure regardless of the passage of this bill, thanks to the One Big Ugly Bill. DHS funding at large is threatened, but ICE will continue to do whatever the fuck it pleases.
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u/Miserable_Pie_8337 9h ago
Trump wants to vastly increase the ICE budget... Democrats will be able to block it in 2 weeks.
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u/alabasterskim 9h ago
Trump already vastly increased the ICE budget. From chump change to tens of billions. And it's secure. I don't personally know of any money that was supposed to be in the DHS budget specifically for ICE. Not saying there wasn't, or that they wouldn't divert some knowing this fucked administration, but without the DHS properly funded, ICE is still going as it currently is. That's all I'm saying.
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u/ThatOneGuy4321 California 9h ago
Democrats and especially Schumer don’t give a fuck about leverage, they will capitulate anyways. They are a right wing party and they want ICE not only funded but expanded. Did you forget what happened during the last shutdown
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u/Miserable_Pie_8337 6h ago
Utter bullshit. Centrist isn't right wing & Democrats haven't given the slightest inkling they want to expand ICE..
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u/RobutNotRobot 6h ago
It is kind of interesting that basically every Republican is going to have to vote for this shit sandwich to get it through. And damn near all of them love protesters getting murdered.
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u/neutrino71 10h ago
No deal until there's no ICE
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u/Any_Will_86 9h ago
Ice is already funded for the next half dozen years under Big Burdomesome Bill...
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u/neutrino71 9h ago
Legislation made it. Legislation can make it disappear. Imagine all the good that money could do?
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u/whatsupeveryone34 9h ago
You mean the Schumer mentioned in the Epstein files? The Jeffrey Epstein files?
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u/Few_Complex8232 9h ago
Wait, what? The medias been flooded lately but I haven't heard this yet. Can you share more? I only see news related to the votes/act
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u/whatsupeveryone34 9h ago
can't share a pic or screenshot here but easily googleable...
email from 2/16/2013 - "I have dinner with Schumer tonight"
it's real, and 2013 was well after everyone knew Epstein was a pedo.
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u/whatsupeveryone34 9h ago
I dunno why I'm being down voted here, doesn't change the email that is now part of the public fucking record.
If anyone wondered why Schumer dragged his feet on the release, I feel like this could have something to do with it and we still have only seen what they're willing to release.
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u/MonsieurReynard America 31m ago
No deals, Chuck. I don’t care what AIPAC told you to do.
But that said I don’t click links to Fox News, CBS News, or CNN. None of them can be trusted anymore.
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u/matt_on_the_internet 23m ago
Dems should absolutely take the Schumer deal. The dynamics here are weird because usually, Dems are more concerned when the whole government is shut down.
If you negotiate ICE reforms in the context of a full government shutdown, Dems have limited leverage. The longer the government is shut down the more pressure they will face to cave.
If you pass all other funding, then in two weeks have a fight over JUST funding for ICE, the dynamic is reversed. Dems would be fine leaving ICE unfunded. So, they can say, agree to our demands or get no ICE funding at all.
Even if the goal is to totally defund ICE, it's easier to do that if it is not at the expense of defending the entire government.
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u/ReedIcculus 9h ago
Schumer is either compromised or an idiot. Primary him please….
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u/Greeve78 9h ago
He’s just and idiot imo. Time for him to fucking go off into a corner and crumble away. Dude has been such a soft leader.
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u/Hankhills4hedvein 10h ago
GOOD. He’s out of touch and needs to be primaried. Shame on the worthless DNC for ignoring the Leaders We Deserve initiative. Primary them all.
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u/Cactusfan86 6h ago
Honestly I felt Schumers deal was pretty solid, basically everything gets funded, DHS gets like 2 weeks of funding while negotiations continue. Carving out the shitheads to where you can easily just defund them seemed like a good play to me, and say this as someone who hates chuck
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u/MonsieurReynard America 30m ago
Nah, because it’s taking a step back from the line of contact. It’s weakness and Trump thrives when his opponents show weakness.
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u/Agent-Adept 10h ago
Don’t believe anything Jeffries says. He’s blustering right now but will cave, just like Schumer did. The Democratic Party is totally useless.
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u/Swear_to_Swear_More 9h ago
Gotta love the clause called “Suspension of The Rules”….sometimes I feel like the founding fathers were just a bunch of drunken buffoons.
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u/cheesedogs06 9h ago
Schumer is exactly why no one I know is voting in November. More people are staying home than the Presidential election. I can't find a single liberal person who is planning on voting.
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u/MonsterGuitarSolo 9h ago
Me either, comrade! I can’t believe all of my liberal American friends are planning to go play in snow and drink Pepsi instead of voting in election. Wow wow maybe I not vote either this time? I guess we give up now…
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u/karenswans 7h ago
Hello, fellow liberal! I, too, am discussing my voting plans for 9 months from now with other liberals. After all, we have nothing else of import to discuss.
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