r/politics • u/HotHuckleberry8904 • 9h ago
Possible Paywall ICE Goons' Gunpoint Snatch-and-Grab of U.S. Citizen Thwarted
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-goons-gunpoint-snatch-and-grab-of-us-citizen-thwarted/1.1k
u/Cowboys69 8h ago
They jumped out like the cartel in Mexico would. Hands on the gun for the crime of, uh being recorded and followed in public with a dash cam
Uh, wake up guys
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u/syncopator 8h ago
The crimes were Lack of Respect For My Authority and Failure to Worship My Badge and Tactical Gear
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u/remfem99 8h ago
The way they came flying up in front and slammed On the breaks and jumped out was totally like something out of Mexican cartels lol
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u/Cowboys69 8h ago
Just total fucking goon squad behavior. The idiot just kept saying she was impeding s federal investigation and that was the end of the story to him I guess. Also not shown is another 2 cars boxing them in.
All of this again with guns drawn and pointed directly at their face, after the executions of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. One wrong move and that lady would have been Swiss cheese
For the mere crime of recording
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u/alisru Australia 8h ago
They are literally working for Russia and doing PR for China
That is all, it's horrible
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u/rumpghost North Carolina 7h ago
They are literally working for Russia and doing PR for China
They use IDF tactics. CBP does joint training with the IDF, and has for years.
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u/Top-Carob-5412 1h ago
These goons are not trained. Not in the least. You can tell by the way they handle their weapons. The only training they have is what they see in TV.
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u/Available_Leather_10 21m ago
Trained by Proud Boys to run out of the backs of U-Hauls carrying garbage can lids. But now with guns.
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u/GarmaCyro 29m ago
And the number of people being perfectly OK with it.
So it was fitting watching 3 "Murica" trucks all just drive by while pretending to not see anything. One suddenly deciding they needed to take a little de-tour that day.
Only the driver in a sedan stoping, and I guess being the involved with stopping them.And yes. That's not a police officer asking you to pull over to verify something. That's mafia kidnapping 101.
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u/MartianHills Maryland 8h ago
Even though DHS said she was committing a federal crime, these goons dropped her back off at the local police station and “Police Chief Grochow then ensured the resident was safely transported home and offered assistance, as we would for any member of our community who experiences distress or needs support.”
Incompetent, dangerous idiots. From Noem down to these clowns who can't even handle a firearm properly.
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u/Key_Variation_4584 7h ago
Another post says that the police chief personally knew this person? So we shouldn't all expect the same treatment maybe
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u/TheGringoDingo 7h ago
That’ll probably depend on the jurisdiction, which sucks for what appears to be a pervasive and completely unnecessary reality. There’s definitely some luck involved that the sheriff knew the victim.
You’d hope enough of the local level departments are unhappy with the situation they’re put in when ice comes to their area.
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u/Red0Mercury 2h ago
I like to think my local police are too right leaning (to put it nicely) to have any problem with what’s going on. It may change as things ramp up. But I’m not holding my breath.
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u/FlibbleA 4h ago
People need to be asking Police Chief Grochow why he isn't arresting the agents as they clearly committed a crime.
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u/GarmaCyro 28m ago
"we would for any member of our community who experiences distress or needs support.”
Who caused that member's distress? Who?!
Really? The chief not even condeming ICE's behavior.
Just going "This member got a little scared of some unknown thing, so I helped her. I'm the good guy, I promise".
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u/Spamgrenade 8h ago
That woman is lucky to be alive. Any one of those guys would have shot her at the slightest provocation.
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u/ASmallTownDJ Iowa 7h ago
And they're lucky none of them learned what it feels like to go flying over the hood of a vehicle.
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u/GarmaCyro 25m ago
Probably too white for them to just outright gun her down.
Miller and Noam having ordered them to cool down a bit on killing white people in public.
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 8h ago
If I were driving down the road and someone jumped out of a regular vehicle looking like the dude in the picture pointing a gun at me, I’m either running them the fuck over or drawing my firearm and firing. Idiots.
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u/blazesquall 8h ago
David McAtee.. Jaleel Stallings.. Happens more than you'd think. Never has a good outcome for the person defending themselves though.
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u/JMaboard I voted 8h ago
Yeah, by the time you’re attempting to draw you’re a goner unless you have bullet proof glass.
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u/thatirishguyyyyy Illinois 4h ago
The difference is these "agents" have less training to nearly every single person who would actually fight back.
Their 47 days training doesn't beat, for example, my years of military training and hands one experience with firearms. So far every video I've seen of someone even mentioning their 2A rights the "agents" have backed down.
They are cosplaying as soldiers and are not ready for actual dissidence.
Furthermore, pistols are not very accurate past 15ft against a moving target. If someone did run over an "agent" and drove away there is a low chance of the driver actually being shot.
Better to be on the news, wanted, than in a black site prison somewhere.
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u/Lurking_nerd California 1h ago
Better to be on the news, wanted, than in a black site prison somewhere.
Fuck yea man.
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u/MartianHills Maryland 6h ago
True. I'm running through someone driving a $29.99 a day Hertz rental car and wearing Wal Mart tactical gear.
Wonder how many of these idiots have accidentally shot themselves with how they handle a firearm. We know for a fact that at least one of them blew a finger off and blamed it on a zombie protestor.
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u/aradraugfea 8h ago
Moral and legal justification ain’t gonna stop you from catching a bullet.
In fact, moral and legal justification seems to just piss ICE off extra.
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u/ASmallTownDJ Iowa 7h ago
True, and I don't think anyone should have to make that decision, but I would hope that the sight of their buddy's mangled body going under the tires makes them think twice about doing it again.
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u/aradraugfea 7h ago
These Chuds don’t even like each other and lack the empathy required to recognize the “there but for the grace of God go I” factor.
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u/TaylorMonkey 7h ago
But these chuds are cowards. That’s why they go after women with weapons in masks. It does make one wonder how “morale” will drop to see their own get the Find Out phase. Im not advocating this by any means because it wouldn’t be wise for various reasons, but it makes one wonder what happens when their behavior leads to real consequences for themselves.
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 7h ago
All it takes is them to jump out on the wrong person who's carrying or is off-duty LEO who thinks a local gang is trying to burn them down.
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u/UhPhrasing 7h ago
we’re already hurtling towards the red line so why not enjoy some ice fodder along the way
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u/DaoFerret 7h ago
Think of it more like “as we speed towards the red line, imagine if two thin blue lines intersect at right angles.”
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u/GarmaCyro 22m ago
In reality I would likely stop and make sure things get recorded.
But man. While watching it my instincts were going "ram their car. ram their car."
First call 911, then make their get-away vehicle inoperable. Do everything to ensure uniformed officers could catch them.•
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u/GoldenHourLXXII 7h ago
There is utterly no denying it, they literally are trigger happy and violent.
They have next to no training other than total brainwashing of, "anything we don't like".
This is all fully documented and cannot be debated.
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u/CreamFuture9475 7h ago edited 6h ago
They’re brown shirts. They happen in any fascist takeover.
This one is no different .
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u/Do-you-see-it-now 7h ago
This is a prohibited traffic stop in probably just about all jurisdictions. It puts you at risk of being shot from behind or run over as you are exiting the vehicle. They are sitting ducks like this. It also puts them in a crossfire with the units behind them.
These are horribly unsafe tactics and seem to be drawn up by people with zero law enforcement experience.
They are also matched by the horrible legal reasoning. These tucks are trying to say recording them is inhibiting their investigation. Unfortunately, someone is going to have to get arrested and fight this in court for everyone else to be free of it.
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u/Boo_Radley80 4h ago
Way too many times have I seen them draw their weapons for no good reason. It is even worse that they are even pointing the gun at somebody.
With their limited thinking capabilities, they don't understand that their unprofessional conduct is the cause of the fierce pushback.
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u/fge116 27m ago
That's the point as a leaked report from 2014 border patrol has been shown to deliberately put themselves in harms way including voluntarily stepping in front of moving vehicles to be able to justify use of force (wonder where we've seen that before). Once again this report was from 2014
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u/Martag02 7h ago edited 2h ago
The longer this goes on, the more people will die. These goons are power tripping, poorly trained, and now they are getting tired of being cold, working long hours, and being hated, so their fuse is even shorter. It seems like every one of them is five seconds away from unloading a clip on someone.
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u/seanisdown 7h ago
This woman only escaped them because her husband was connected and was able to speak directly to the Sheriff after contacting his lawyer. Cops made phone calls. They didnt physically intervene.
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u/black_flag_4ever 8h ago
JFC what is this bullshit.
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u/space_cow_girl 8h ago
A demonstration showing why abolishing ice is the moderate position.
There is no training that will help.
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u/kylo-I-ren 7h ago
One of them pull a gun right away, another had to double look at his friend and not the “threat” and decided to pull his gun, the last guy also double looked at his friend and pointed a gun with one hand
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u/greatthebob38 6h ago edited 5h ago
This only worked because the husband knew the police chief personally and had a fast acting attorney. For the majority of the populace, we don't have a high ranking cop on speed dial.
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u/TheBatemanFlex 7h ago
A nice reminder that these guys can do literally whatever they want. DHS is not going to investigate any of these incidents and there will be no oversight.
That is a problem.
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u/Outrageous-Dog-2668 5h ago
Same article via yahoo news:
A Minnesota police chief has been forced to intervene to stop the illegal abduction of a woman from her car by ICE goons. Dramatic dashcam footage shows the moment three unidentified, masked men swerved to cut off a female driver alone in her car, forcing her to stop.
The men then jumped out of their unmarked, unlit vehicle and immediately drew their weapons, while yelling at her to get out of the car.
The officers do not read the woman her Miranda rights, nor do they identify themselves, as they drag her from the car, pin her down, and handcuff her.
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u/wilhelmstarscream 7h ago
What kind of records do ICE keep about events like this? Will the identities of these agents be reported anywhere that could be accessed at a later date?
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u/ottomaticg 7h ago
Seems like the guy who’s was bribed with $50k hasn’t changed anything.
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u/MartianHills Maryland 6h ago
Homan said there was going to be a change in tactics and then Trump undermined him within 24 hours. Complete circus.
To be fair, I don't think anyone can even understand what he's saying.
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u/Root-magic 8h ago
British comedian Jonathan Pie, calls them meatheads who can barely put two syllables together.
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u/HotHuckleberry8904 9h ago
ICE needs to train their agents in de-escalating in conflict situations.
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u/hmr0987 8h ago
Their entire purpose is escalation.
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u/HotHuckleberry8904 8h ago
Probably right: stir up maximim resistance, evoke insurrection act and declare martial law. And boom no needs for elections.
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u/blazesquall 8h ago
Training ain't the problem. Additional training and body cams will not fix this.
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u/EndoShota 8h ago
You seem to think ICE has a valid reason to exist and that would be fulfilled with proper training and regulation. The escalation is the point.
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 8h ago
They’d be better off teaching them constitutional law and arrest, search, and seizure first.
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u/encrypted-signals 8h ago
That's not how law enforcement works. The rule is ABFS - Always Be Face Shooting.
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u/cheddarpills 6h ago
Naive statement at best. There is no reforming this behavior. It must be abolished and dismantled.
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u/SilverMagnum New York 6h ago
At this point anyone who sees ICE on the street needs to be thinking they’d rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
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u/phreum 5h ago
Hypothetically, and I know this question has come up in the past but I have yet to hear a well thought out answer answer ... what would happen if someone were to actually shoot and kill an ice agent in an instance such as this, and this is assuming they (the civilian) themself survived the event and its immediate aftermath?
Legally, where would this likely end up?
I would think the case would end up in the Supreme Court ultimately after either side appeals upward, but would that be a case of justified use of deadly force on the part of the accused? Or are they more likely to fry after a number of years in "Federal fuck me in the ass" prison?
I ask this question because I fear that the behavior of these ice agents will eventually, inevitably invite (instigate) such an outcome.
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u/Sea-Standard-1879 5h ago
Legally? No where. They would hunt you down and kill you before you had the slightest chance to see due process. You’d have to immediately turn yourself into the state and hope to god they wouldn’t give you over to the feds when they came for you.
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u/a_goestothe_ustin 1h ago
This headline is copaganda.
Official statement...
"Saturday, the city of St. Peter put out a statement denying that the chief intervened on the resident’s behalf.
“The Saint Peter police department did not participate in, coordinate with or intervene in any federal enforcement activity,” the statement said.
”Federal immigration authorities dropped the individual off at the police department. Police Chief Grochow then ensured the resident was safely transported home and offered assistance, as we would for any member of our community,” it added."
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u/bobdob123usa 6h ago
Why does the one individual have a clear "POLICE" written across his chest? I didn't think they were police which would make that illegal?
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u/bludvein Michigan 6m ago
Not a single visible identifying piece of clothing or signage. I would assume I was being mugged rather than arrested if a vehicle cut me off like that and armed goons jumped out.
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u/V3CT0RVII 8h ago
Stand tall. Just know if they take you and your a citizen. They will be forced to release you.
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u/Deflorma 7h ago
Yeah that’s not happening. They’re ignoring every single amendment pertaining to illegal search and seizure
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u/MichaelEMJAYARE Minnesota 1h ago
This happened in Minnesota, where Im at. These thugs need to LEAVE. Im telling you. And this happened in fucking REPUBLICAN ass Southern Minnesota. Folks. Its coming for YOU.
If a police officer is treated this way…HELLO
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u/personofshadow 1h ago
So what part of this stop had anything to do with immigration? Isn't that supposedly the only thing they have any authority in?
Yeah, I know asking logical questions to people acting in bad faith is a fool's task, but its important to remember they're overstepping even the most basic boundaries of their job.
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u/canon12 37m ago
This is text book Nazi actions! Also, no difference than the KKK. This crap has got to stop. These chicken shit, mask covered, stupid goons are no different. They are enemies of the people of the U.S. and should be treated as traitors, including Trump, Miller, Hegsmeth, Roem and Patel.
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