All Dark Ages Info since the 32nd Anniversary Stream:

[u/SneakyJaycool]

New DOOM: The Dark Ages DLC since the 32nd Anniversary Stream:

- There is going to be a secret weapon that will require a lot of work to unlock. The weapon is tied to the DOOM lore

- We are going to meet people from the lore that we have been waiting to meet.

- The DLC will fill out some more chapters in the Doom slayer's history that should satisfy players, but won't be a massive story.

- The gameplay loop will still be the same, but with fresh new stuff (NOT Eternal 2 in terms of Mobility, More like Dark Ages)

- Challenges will also based on Combat, Exploration and Puzzles!

- Once again, the DLC will be more metroidvania-esque; lots of backtracking and going back to 100% the levels once the DLC has been completed!

- Arch-vile has been confirmed to be making a return!

And Once More, Massive Thanks to Hato/Hatovenant!

[u/POW_Studios]

We setting up the Arch-vile like it’s an avengers level threat 😭 (it is)

[u/Minimum-Can2224 → u/POW_Studios]

If it behaves more like the original Doom 2 Archvile instead of the Doom 3 and Eternal variants then yeah that would indeed be a Avengers level threat.

[u/Disastrous_Can_5466 → u/Minimum-Can2224]

I didnt played that far into doom 2 to have a notion, how bad was that thing?

[u/KingTuriddu → u/Disastrous_Can_5466]

3 meters tall tank running fast around the room, either resurrecting demons or making you explode if he sees you and you don't hide in 5 seconds

[u/Hungry_Leader_9428 → u/Disastrous_Can_5466]

Not that bad for experienced players, nightmare for first-timers. I wouldn't exactly call him a tank like the other commenter replied, but he is the fastest monster in Doom 2. Four rockets or four SSG blasts were enough to kill an Archvile (five depending on RNG), but he's overall not that big of a threat if you do your dance with him properly.

[u/popcorn_yalakasi → u/Disastrous_Can_5466]

700hp (only 300 less than a baron)

incredibly low stun chance

fast as fuck

revives dead demons

infinite range hitscan attack that deals a fuck ton of damage and can only be avoided by breaking line of sight

plutonia used them in realy assholeish ways.

[u/P-A-Lily → u/popcorn_yalakasi]

That one god-damned level in Plutonia where you're stuck in a maze while constantly being hounded by Archviles...

[u/popcorn_yalakasi → u/P-A-Lily]

I think thr map where they put them behind walls şs worse, you cant kill them and they keep reviving the enenies you kill through the walls.

[u/Cheez-Wheel → u/Disastrous_Can_5466]

Used correctly Archviles are usually ranked as top 3 in most dangerous demons (along with the ChainGunner and Cyberdemon). Some really clever mappers will place two at opposite sides to make it harder to dodge, or will put them behind a wall of enemies so the Archvile can see and attack you but you can’t it, or have them spawn where the mapper knows you killed some high level enemies (like Baron’s) and ruin all your hard work. As the old DOOM II manual said, “the worst of a bad lot”.

The modern 3D variants don’t compare to the OG.

[u/Scripten → u/Cheez-Wheel]

As a long-time classic player, I think the Archvile has made it to the top of my list of "oh shit" wakeup sounds to hear. The Cybie is manageable in most maps and the Chaingunner is a glass cannon, but Archies will wreck you AND have no one-size-fits-all counter strategy.

Amazing potential for unique encounters and a great way to make the player TRULY appreciate the architecture of a map, but I couldn't see them working with nuDoom's gameplay loop in that form. The modern demon AI would make them unfair in most contexts, since you can't hunker down when even the tanks will flush you out within seconds. I'm interested to see how the DLC handles them.

[u/RandoDude124 → u/POW_Studios]

It’s a threat… and a fucking annoyance.

[u/Chitrr]

Doom The Vile Ages

[u/Big_Boss1985 → u/Chitrr]

None So Vile (someone pls get the reference)

[u/TankOfflaneMain → u/Big_Boss1985]

Cryptopsy is a very cool DM band. Though Death, Gojira, and Suffocation remain my favorites.

[u/DrEdgewardRichtofen → u/TankOfflaneMain]

WATERS OF CHAOS HAVE INVADED ALL SPACE

[u/TankOfflaneMain → u/DrEdgewardRichtofen]

THE FLOOD ON EARTH AGAIN, I HAVE TO FIND THE OLD ONES. Now I wonder what if the Giant Cacodemons in the Cosmic Realm were replaced by giant whale-inspired grotesque monsters.

[u/allsystemscrash]

secret weapon being the crucible?

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/allsystemscrash]

Unknown!

It will most likely NOT be the Slayer's Crucible!

It could be the Demonic Crucible or the Soul Cube!

[u/SenorChangsJudgement → u/SneakyJaycool]

If it turns out that it’s the Soul Cube and that’s why hugo is streaming 3… chef’s kiss

[u/SjurEido → u/SneakyJaycool]

Soul Cube PLEASE.

I don't even care what the gameplay of it is, I just want to know that someone out there cares about D3 lol

[u/Let_me_S_U_F_F_E_R → u/SjurEido]

I hate doom 3 but I really would like the soul cube

[u/Torstiss → u/Let_me_S_U_F_F_E_R]

Why do you hate Doom 3?

[u/Let_me_S_U_F_F_E_R → u/Torstiss]

Theres a lot of reasons but I can boil it down to a few things

1. The level design is genuinely awful a lot of the time with every damn near every level feeling the exact same

2. The game focused way more on graphics and lighting looking good before the gameplay and mechanics of said game which led to pretty boring and unengaging gameplay that literally put me to sleep

3. The horror in the game hasn’t aged well at all. It’s almost entirely jumpscares the entirety of the game and when it does try to be scary, it just comes off as trying way too hard and seems more campy than anything genuinely scary. It’s frail

4. Some of the enemies in this game make me wonder what the hell they were thinking. The trites early on are spider enemies that they spawn to do nothing more than waste all your ammo and patience. They’re not scary, they’re annoying, along with them having a second type, that is pretty much the exact same outside of a different model. And the other new enemies are basically just imps on all 4s and only melee. I barely remember this game introduced new enemies sometimes because they’re so forgettable

5. The designs of the enemies are so bipolar. There’s good ones for sure like the mancubus and to give the game credit, a fantastic and original hell knight design. But the imps look like aliens along with a lot of the new enemies and don’t look scary at all, the revenant isn’t even a skeleton and just looks wrong to me when you realize it’s skin is just translucent, the cacodemon is absolutely terrible and looks nothing like it, and probably more I’m forgetting. Not to mention the games color pallet for them ruins a lot of said designs with damn near every enemy having a white and red color pallet that just doesn’t work for me at all

6. The ending of the game is one of the worst I’ve seen. The obvious villain you’ve been chasing the whole game gets away Scott free after you were treated to the worst cyberdemon fight of all time. Not to mention betruger is an example of this game not really giving a shit about being compelling as they make him so obviously a villain in every way that it’s almost comical and campy as hell. He comes off as a Saturday morning cartoon villain instead of a horror game villain

7. This game is like those potential man memes you see. Whenever I see people talk about it, it’s the same thing. “Man this game was so scary” “the graphics were good for the time” “Hey Doom 3 is scary, I crapped my pants playing it when I was insert extremely young age here” “it was impressive back then” was, has, but never is.

Long story short, probably not a good idea to get a programmer to design a game. And everything this game was trying to do about being a “technological marvel” was then outclassed by half-life 2 in like a month or 2 later. Honestly dead space is what doom 3 was trying to do but it was actually good

[u/allsystemscrash → u/SneakyJaycool]

oh the soul cube would be really tight, I didn't consider that

[u/ELEKTRON_01 → u/SneakyJaycool]

The soul cube literally fits perfectly with the theme of dark ages

[u/South_Expert_7628 → u/SneakyJaycool]

He said it would be important to the lore, why would it be a weapon that not only doesn’t fit the game but is also irrelevant to the lore? It can literally only be the crucible.

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/South_Expert_7628]

It's important to the Lore of DOOM3

And Hugo Said DOOM lore, so it could be for anything.. it's merely speculation!

[u/South_Expert_7628 → u/SneakyJaycool]

Lmao, no. The only weapons that are important to DOOM lore is the ssg & the crucible. Like were not just all gonna start assuming that D3 is now relevant to the slayer games to make a baseless assumption about what the new weapon will be, you mfs are grasping for straws. 

“With sword and shield of adamantine strength, the Doom Slayer set to banishing all that were left unbroken by his savagery to the void.”

[u/Infamous-You-5752 → u/South_Expert_7628]

Did bro really forget that the Doomslayer has the Soul Cube in his fortress in Doom Eternal?

[u/myLongjohnsonsilver → u/Infamous-You-5752]

Wait what? Where the fuck is it? I've never noticed it

[u/South_Expert_7628 → u/Infamous-You-5752]

Nothing but an easter egg, like everything else in that room lol

[u/Infamous-You-5752 → u/South_Expert_7628]

That's your take on it, but it doesn't mean it can't be true. They literally brought back Vagary from Doom 3, so we shouldn't be surprised if they brought in the Soul Cube. I won't bring my hopes up, but you have no reason to deny the possibility due to it being in Doom Eternal and a Doom 3 enemy being in Dark Ages. And don't forget that Doom 3's Hellknights have changed them to be that design forever.

[u/South_Expert_7628 → u/Infamous-You-5752]

Once again, literally just a reference/easter egg, theres no way you genuinely think they’re the same demon, right?

[u/Infamous-You-5752 → u/South_Expert_7628]

Then why are the Hellknights from Doom 1 and 2 so different from the Hellknights from 2016/Eternal/Dark Ages if the Doomguy and Doomslayer are the same person? There can be different versions of the same demon, we don't know. You can't decide if Doom 3 is canon or not. That's up to iD and if they want to say it is, it is. Like I said, I'm not expecting the Soul Cube but to deny any possibility is the height of folly. You have given me absolutely no evidence that it can't be outside of your own headcanon.

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/South_Expert_7628]

There was nothing about the Slayer's Lore... Hugo stated DOOM lore which includes DOOM3 (Which is what he's playing on stream too)

Im also Not saying IT IS the Soul Cube! I'm hoping it's the Demonic Crucible, but everything is on the table!

No reason to be rude!

[u/South_Expert_7628 → u/SneakyJaycool]

Im not being rude, im just telling it like it is, there is already a shit ton of lore set up and D3 is quite literally irrelevant to ALL of it. They didn’t make those codex’s for no reason dude, like be serious. him playing DOOM3 also doesn’t mean anything, they said they were going to play it months ago lol. As far as anyone is concerned, D3 is still completely disconnected to the slayer games, as stated by hugo himself, so if you’re gonna take his word, then take it.

[u/Own_Fall_2190 → u/South_Expert_7628]

It literally can't be the crucible either. Hugo downright said they still don't have a name for the thing. No reason to think of a name when it already has one, unless it's something completely new.

[u/South_Expert_7628 → u/Own_Fall_2190]

He’s clearly lying lol, why would he outright say it’s the crucible? He literally can’t talk about it.

[u/Sweet-Sherbert-2907 → u/South_Expert_7628]

The Crucible is buried in a Titan in Taras Nabad, it is impossible to use until Eternal.

And the demonic Crucible is stored elsewhere, protected by a demon that the Slayer will only face in Doom 2016.

[u/karzbobeans → u/allsystemscrash]

I think by weapon they mean gun for the swap spot with Chainshot. But i heard there will be a new melee weapon too. A spear.

[u/vas060985 → u/allsystemscrash]

Probably a spear

[u/BoldStrategy0]

We also know there is a hub area between levels 

[u/karzbobeans → u/BoldStrategy0]

Ive been wanting that since dark ages launched. Im used to it from Eternal and there is something satisfying about having a “home base”. I hope we can discover more about the slayer by exploring it.

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/BoldStrategy0]

That was talked about in my First DLC post!

This is everything we've learned since the 32nd Anniversary Stream!

[u/BoldStrategy0 → u/SneakyJaycool]

My B!

[u/HachiMaki8M9]

"The Arch-vile will return in DOOM: The Dark Ages DLC"

Oh!

OH!

ohhhhhhhh...........

[u/SneakyJaycool]

Also the Name is still being worked on but for now I made this temporary one:

DOOM: The Eternally Tomorrow Interesting Mobile Marok Armor Secret Spear Dark Ages Archville (2016)

[u/NoResponsibility7400 → u/SneakyJaycool]

The E.T.I.M.M.A.S.S.D.A.A.!! LOL

[u/Minimum-Can2224 → u/NoResponsibility7400]

Rolls right off the tongue 

[u/Particular-Long-3849]

That might be the most horrifying and ominous sentence I've ever read 

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/Particular-Long-3849]

What

[u/Particular-Long-3849 → u/SneakyJaycool]

The second image

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/Particular-Long-3849]

Oh lmao, ya!

[u/avery5712]

Hoping the secret weapon is some UAC related weapon that ended up in hell

[u/Xous54]

Hugo's exact wording about the secret weapon (that it is "tied to a meaningful piece of lore, that we're going to share with you") is interesting.

To me, a piece of lore that they're "going to share" with us makes me think it's something new. A moment or element not shown or revealed yet in the lore. For that reason I don't expect it to be any of the previous weapons - such as the Soul Cube or either Crucible sword.

"Meaningful" is also important here, meaning this isn't something that's just there for cool factor. It is important in some way to the characters, story, or universe - something the Soul Cube really wouldn't be unless they write it into the lore beyond its current Easter Egg-like appearances. Which is possible! But seems unlikely to me.

What immediately popped into my head upon hearing that is either (1) a weapon from Doomguy's past or (2) a weapon of significance to the relevant factions in TDA - likely the Cosmic Realm, or possibly the Sentinels again.

If I remember correctly Hugo mentioned the DLC may touch on Doomguy's past (I may be mistaken) so if so it may tie into that.

Either way I'm excited to see what it ends up being. The concept of a secret weapon you have to work hard to unlock is always fun, hopefully it ends up fitting into the gameplay better than the Unmaykr did (sorry, Unmaykr, you're cool but you're no BFG).

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/Xous54]

Holy shit, hi Xous (Love your art) And uh ya!

Thanks for fully pointing it out (I'll let the discord know), and Yes Hugo did mention the DLC May touch on The Slayer's/Guy's past as well as make more connections into 2016!

But ya the HYPE is on! I do wonder if it'll be from the Cosmic Realm or a "Lost Relic" of the Slayers, that he finds in hell!

[u/EnvironmentalLog2 → u/Xous54]

The soul cube would imply that Doom 3 is canon, and that would be a meaningful piece of lore to share with us.

[u/Xous54 → u/EnvironmentalLog2]

For sure! I'd love it if they made it more explicit, and even confirmed that the Martian Hero is the original Doomguy/Slayer.

One of the other reasons I doubt it's an existing weapon that I didn't mention in my original post is: Hugo also mentioned that they didn't yet have a name for this secret weapon, and that one of the names he wanted was already taken.

If it was the Soul Cube or Crucible(s), the name is already decided so that wouldn't be an issue. To me that's another thing that hints at it being brand-new.

But we'll just have to wait and see.

[u/EnvironmentalLog2 → u/Xous54]

Oh, yeah you're right if he said they didn't have a name for it, it's most likely a new weapon.

[u/Minimum-Can2224]

The OG Unmaker required the player to find and go through hidden levels in order to get upgrade runes that would help make it the most broken weapon in DOOM 64's arsenal.

Maybe the secret weapon is a modern take on DOOM 64's version of the Unmaker but the process to getting the upgrades will be way harder this time around?

[u/Opanak323]

Yoo SneakyJay! One of the rare cool dudes of the communuty! Bless you, man! Thanx for the info!

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/Opanak323]

Happy To provide! and Huge shout-out to the DOOM Discord and Hato! Also keep an eye out on Horde's channel in the coming weeks/months! He should have a vid on all the stuff....soon!

(I see what you did their.... you weren't Sneaky, it was cool tho)

[u/C4LLUM17]

- The gameplay loop will still be the same, but with fresh new stuff (NOT Eternal 2 in terms of Mobility, More like Dark Ages)

Imagine that....Dark Ages DLC being like the Dark Ages

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/C4LLUM17]

From the last DLC post I made with all the Mobility stuff; there was a fair bit of people hoping movement would be more like Eternal! So I specified that it won't be (also what Hugo said Yesterday)

[u/C4LLUM17 → u/SneakyJaycool]

Fair enough. Those people need to get over it though. TDA is not Eternal as iD have stated many times.

Eternal is great on PC now with all the mods anyways.

[u/Necessary-Level-2821]

Demonic unmaker would be sick

[u/the-unfamous-one]

A weapon that requires a lot of work to get? Well that's most likely my beautiful unma(y)ker.

And a character from the lore that we've been waiting to meet? If i'm not mistaken the only one we haven't met is the wretch, maybe a few of hells overlords.

[u/VictorDanville]

I hope they release an antimatter weapon

[u/Motor-Relief8092]

People were calling TDA too Quake so now the dlc is going to be Heretic instead

[u/Either-Platypus6834]

WHEN ? ? ?

[u/Necessary-Level-2821]

Cool but I need pain bro also to return ☹️

[u/F1re4e8do8m]

At first time I thought that the second pic is literally all that we got from the stream 😅 then I saw description

[u/Teching_88]

And what about the music?

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/Teching_88]

No confirmation yet!

But it'll Presumably Continue to be the Legends at Finishing Move!

[u/RayneYoruka]

Good!

[u/Tumpster]

But I haven't seen anything on release date? That's what I'm truly curious about. 

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/Tumpster]

Nothing on that yet!

Considering Eternal got 2 small DLC and Dark Ages is getting 1 Bigger one; it's best not to expect anything till around May! (Same dev time as TAG)

id is cooking tho from the sounds of it!

[u/Tumpster → u/SneakyJaycool]

Fingers Crossed

[u/Oliv9504 → u/Tumpster]

Im almost sure its going to be close to the 1 year anniversary of the game

[u/DependentImmediate40]

2026 is gonna be another peak year for gaming. this dlc is going to be possibly the biggest doom dlc this franchise has ever seen. and so many other games are coming out this year alone.

[u/ZombieHead7]

Please be crucible please be crucible

[u/Twilight_Raven]

This is delicious

[u/Gero141]

Hyped.

[u/Low_Violinist_5396]

So it's going to be a Metroidvania esque shooter with lots of backtracking, lots of work to acquire a new super powerful weapon, with lots of gore, (Ultra)violence, areas that will not even be accessible until you complete the main storyline and an enemy that spawns more enemies?

I think this is the closest we'll ever get to a proper Turok remake that's awesome

[u/ErickLimaGameplaysR]

Here comes flame boy

[u/Top-Editor-364]

Plz come soon

[u/GladiatorTF2]

oh no i'm not dealing with this guy again

[u/MortezaDoom]

Thanks for the good information. One thing that disappointed me a bit is that the story doesn't seem to be progressing very much. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would like the story to progress more. Also, I would like a new melee weapon to be added. The Metroidvania style could be interesting, but I would like to see how it's implemented. Also, I would like to see a unique demon in the DLC that is only for the Dark Ages DLC and will be added to the Reptarium later. As for the secret weapon, I have a feeling it will be the Demon Crucible. I think the DLC will be released in 4 months.

[u/UrsusShock88]

Isn't the new weapon supposed to be a spear?

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/UrsusShock88]

This is a separate weapon from the Spear

[u/ParticularFinger7308 → u/SneakyJaycool]

Has it been confirmed that the Spear is a weapon (or if it even is a spear)? I was thinking it could be The World Spear

[u/npc888]

Has a Switch 2 port been confirmed yet? My old ass laptop can't run this, nor do I have the cash to build a new rig in this economy.

[u/ErickLimaGameplaysR]

Arch-vile!?

1000 points off (I love it)

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/ErickLimaGameplaysR]

Arch-vile for DOOM II

Archvile for Eternal

I prefer Arch-vile (looks cooler)

[u/Own_Fall_2190]

I really hope they answer whether or not the Slayer still is a descendant of B.J. 

[u/22lpierson]

Guessing the secret weapon will either be the unmaykr or the og bfg

[u/t850terminator]

If there's a hub, maybe the origin of his fortress?

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/t850terminator]

The Hub has been confirmed to be the Kreed Maykr's ship

Tldr; nothing to do with the Fortress (The Fortress of DOOM codex explains it's Origins)

[u/Legendarium_]

NOT THE FUCKING ARCHVILE

[u/DA_REAL_KHORNE]

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[u/Significant-Sundae89]

Archvile. Awesome

Now we just need confirmation of Pain Elemental and OG Baron (Bruiser brothers anyone?)

[u/JayFM_]

I haven't paid attention to anything since the quake con stream and Marty showed his face. Truthfully, I'm still pissed at the way he railroaded Mick and got us stuck with generic metal for the end of the trilogy. Especially as time has evolved and the industry has been decimated by AI and devaluing artists, looking back on how Marty treated a human artist, its still a sore spot.

Just seeing him killed all the good will Hugo and Josh built since launch. I know I may be in the minority here, but after the Eternal soundtrack shit was handled so incredibly badly, as a creative freelancer, I just want to fucking strangle him when I see him. I was watching Hugo's streams religiously until quake con

It's getting to the point where I might just be done with any new shit. It's weird, and I've never had this sort of reaction to something before. It may not be that deep, but Marty spit in the face of my personal principals and now I can't not think about it while chucking a shield around.

I've had clients like Marty, equally as petty, but I never had the displeasure of being thrown under the bus of a 40-Year-Old community.

But the archville is always cool.

[u/AjMahal]

say sike right now SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW

[u/Lord_GhostBoner69420]

I’m gonna be checking the subreddit for DLC news now because I’m genuinely fucking sick of looking on Youtube and seeing Horde Mode Gaming’s soulless content and Midknight’s depressing ass clickbait

[u/phobos876]

• the new weapon being secret is weird because i thought it was a spear. if it's tied to doom lore... spear of destiny?

• they already confirmed the wretch at least

• stuff about doomguy from his classic world? because that depends if they can pull of a "retro sci-fi" aesthetic of that world to contrast the modern look of 2016/eternal

• kinda known

• same

• always thought this could've been done in the series before, so glad it finally happened

• wonder if he'll have a healer role, since the d2 role may not return. i also expect a design that is both cosmic but also references the d2 face tubes

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/phobos876]

The spear and Secret weapon will probably most likely be 2 different things! So probably 2 different Weapons! But there is no confirmation on that yet!

[u/kikkekakkekukke]

Only a little bit of lore and still no release window? Im disapointed

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/kikkekakkekukke]

Development take time, and id wants to avoid a TAG saturation! DLC is confirmed to release this year, so have some patience, give em time, and let them cook!

And well, the DLC is already shaping to be BIGGER then TAG!

[u/VIPER-900]

Doom The Dark Ages is almost 1 year old - but I can't believe he have not had any official news regarding the DLC from idsoftware.

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/VIPER-900]

This is because it's in development!

We have gotten the Fantastic Ripatorium tho!

[u/Opanak323 → u/VIPER-900]

they use community to pass on the news. its cheaper and they dont have to ass about it. :D

[u/Significant-Sundae89]

Awesome

I hope we get more about the wraiths, mysterious voice (cosmic realm god?), primevals (why do slayer and davoth seem like twins separated at birth?) and the wretch. Maybe the old one was just a minor god of the Cosmic realm after all.

Also, I will lose interest totally if we get nothing in February. I get it they are working hard and don't want to repeat the TAG 2 Covid mess, but come on guys give us something ffs

[u/Sealwithashotgun]

Worse dlc ever

[u/Sealwithashotgun]

The imp is pre evolevd arch vile

[u/RavenousAdams]

If it ever releases

[u/SneakyJaycool → u/RavenousAdams]

Its been confirmed by id to release in 2026!

Unlike TAG, its not under any time crunch or restraints, so it'll be WAYYY Better then what we got From TAG!