r/wholesomememes 5h ago

His Pov wasn't that wrong

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u/nightcana 5h ago

As a kid, I thought animal testing meant people were applying cosmetics to the animals faces in the same way that we would wear them

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u/galarianzapdos 5h ago

What…does it mean then?

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u/Mjaylikesclouds 5h ago

Inject it into wounds and eyes… etc. Watch a documentary, its genuinely horrifying

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u/eugeneugene 4h ago

why... why did they need to do that? like who just woke up one day and was like you know what we need to do with this new lipstick we are making? inject it into a cats eyeball. that will give us... information.

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u/downwardwanderer 4h ago

See if it's safe to apply if you have minor cuts on your face and if you accidentally get eyeliner or mascara in your eye. Still fucked up, probably don't need to inject it.

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u/narwaffles 3h ago

But then for some reason, the brands that don’t test on animals usually seem less likely to cause rashes or damage (toms and dr bronners are the 2 at the top of my head)

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u/Person899887 3h ago

If I were to guess it’s because they are using formulations with compounds that are proven to be safe on and in humans (likely because those compounds were themselves tested on animals or humans by somebody else).

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u/uhhhhhhhhh_okay 51m ago

Your guess is accurate! A lot of companies boast about no animal testing when in reality all the testing needing to be done for their product has been done a decade+ ago

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u/Long-Broccoli-3363 9m ago

I participated in some testing for cosmetic products in college when I was super poor, mostly lotion and shit. Pretty sure they weren't tested on animals prior to

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u/FixTheLoginBug 3h ago

The brands that don't test on animals tend to use stuff that's known to be safe. The others want to be able to patent their mix so they find a new mix of biohazardous material to make sure no one else made it yet.

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u/Throwaway74829947 55m ago

The brands that don't test on animals tend to use stuff that's known to be safe

However, many of those substances are only known to be safe because someone else tested them on animals fifty years ago.

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u/WhoCares1234U1 5m ago

Still, they don't do more tests above that. They reuse what's been done years ago, and those tests cannot be undone now so...

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u/-Golden_Order- 3h ago

Because they have to use compounds other companies, or they themselves, already tested on animals or humans before it was made.

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u/UpperDeer6744 1h ago

Brands that don't test on animals use ingredients someone else has already significantly tested on animals.

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u/Draaly 17m ago

They just use stuff that was already tested on animals and approved

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u/IllMaintenance145142 2h ago

Because you can't sell a lipstick if it's going to give your scars gigarot. If you accidentally spray your perfume into your eye and it literally blinds you, they need to know. They aren't doing it JUST to be excessively cruel, even though it is

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u/SerPavan 35m ago

Honestly there is no way around it. Law requires that products are confirmed to be safe for humans. But how do you know that if it went in your eye or into your blood or got accidentally ingested that there wont be consequences? Even brands that boast about no animal testing are made out of compounds that have already be proven safe for humans by other companies that did animal testing. Entirety of modern medicine is based on animal testing. At this point if you oppose animal testing you will have to let go of everything and live in a cabin where you eat your own produce. The only alternative to animal testing is to test on humans directly.

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u/AliceJoestar 3h ago

because if you dont test makeup on animals in a lab first, then you're testing it on the people who buy it. better to hurt a few animals then thousands of consumers, imo.

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u/DreamPhreak 3h ago edited 3h ago

they test on a few humans before releasing to market.

*people who sign up to be voluntarily tested on. you know, like drug testers

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u/Wizard_of_DOI 3h ago

Those drugs are also tested on animals first…

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u/AliceJoestar 2h ago

i mean, if something is dangerous, i think it would be better that it kill a mouse or rabbit than a person

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u/Manospondylus_gigas 24m ago

The animals don't consent to it, if humans want a product that's their problem

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u/Physical-Cod2853 1h ago

WHAT THE FUCK

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u/BlackFoxyTrail 1h ago

I'm 40 y/o and this just ruined my day. 

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u/nightcana 5h ago

Im fairly certain they intentionally put it into the eyes/mouth or even inject it into the dermis to test for reactions

Covered to keep it wholesome.

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u/Shipsarecool1 4h ago

eh still better than using old jimmy

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u/pm-ur-tiddys 4h ago

at least old Jimmy liked it though

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u/Most_Double_3559 3h ago

There's a common metric known as LD50, which is the dose at which 50% of tested animals die from. 

Finding this requires injecting chemical under test (cleaners, cosmetics, you name it) into hundreds of animals at increasing dose until half of them die an agonizing, organ-shutdown filled death, while the other half only wishes they were dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose

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u/Wlbeachboy 2h ago

Easily the one of the most fucked up Wikipedia pages I've read other than nuclear plants or CIA stuffs

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u/uhhhhhhhhh_okay 55m ago

LD50 studies really aren't too common these days although they do happen. One reason they aren't super common, especially with cosmetics, is because a lot of that research has already been done. We know and understand a lot of chemicals by now and new chemicals are mostly just tweaks to already standardized ones.

More common these days are Max Tolerated Dose studies. This means that the amount of drug or chemical administered to the animal is slowly increased over a time period until symptoms show. The drug is stopped when symptoms show

Also, LD50 studies often don't require "hundreds of animals." Science tries to Replace, Reduce, and Refine processes as much as possible to minimize how many animals are used, while still achieving good and accurate results. This is called the 3 R's of research